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We Have No Privacy, We Are Always Being Watched.

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2013 03:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Have a nice day, you silver tongued devil you.

When is your next email filled with the day's memes due?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jul, 2013 03:57 pm
Drunk Laughing
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2013 07:17 am
My lord now it had come out that the post office is scanning the covers of all 160 billions pieces of mail that go through their system every year and placing it in a searchable data base!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program, in which Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2013 07:59 am
@BillRM,
One thing that come to my mind is who paying for scanning of every piece of mail all 160 billions and keeping a useful database of this information.

The post office is suppose to be a independent agency that is going bankrupt so it should not be them.

spendius
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jul, 2013 08:29 am
@BillRM,
Wait till they start photographing your shopping at the checkout and tagging it with your credit card or the chips in the $20 bills.

Then the bar codes are all read in the waste disposal to determine the speed of circulation of each item so that the production units' thermostats can be set correctly. And to make sure nobody is storing anything up which might have other uses than those intended.

The thing to do is to swap shopping lists with the bottle blonde across the street and deliver the goods to each others' doors. You might get invited in as well.
revelette
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jul, 2013 08:47 am
another spying scandal

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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jul, 2013 06:22 pm
@spendius,
Anyone who says that you're never worth reading is an idiot, Spendi.
















Would you like me to withdraw my assertion?
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jul, 2013 04:47 am
@JTT,
It's a free country JT.

I'm a fan of withdrawal. It saves so many from a whole host of traps.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jul, 2013 11:02 am

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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 03:51 pm
U.S. Assures Russia Snowden Will Not Face Death Penalty

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in a letter sent to the Russian minister of justice this week that the United States would not seek the death penalty against Edward J. Snowden, and would issue him a passport immediately so he could travel back to the United States.

The letter also offered reassurances that the United States would not torture Mr. Snowden, the former intelligence contractor who faces criminal charges of disclosing classified information and has been hiding in an airport in Moscow in order to evade the American authorities.

“We believe these assurances eliminate these asserted grounds for Mr. Snowden’s claim that he should be treated as a refugee or granted asylum, temporary or otherwise,” Mr. Holder said in the letter, which was sent to Justice Minister Aleksandr V. Konovalov.

A copy of the letter was provided to The New York Times on Friday by a Justice Department official, in response to questions about communications between the United States and Russian governments about Mr. Snowden’s fate.

The charges Mr. Snowden faces in the United States do not carry the death penalty, the letter said, adding that the United States would not seek the death penalty “even if Mr. Snowden were charged with additional death penalty-eligible crimes.”

Mr. Holder said that Mr. Snowden’s claims that he is unable to travel are false and that the United States was willing to issue him a special passport so he could return.

“Despite the revocation of his passport on June 22, 2013, Mr. Snowden remains a U.S. citizen,” Mr. Holder said. “He is eligible for a limited validity passport good for direct return to the United States. The United States is willing to immediately issue such a passport to Mr. Snowden.”

The Kremlin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, restated Russia’s refusal to extradite Mr. Snowden, citing the lack of an extradition treaty between the two countries. “We have never surrendered anyone,” he said in a statement reported by the Interfax news agency, “and we will never do so in the future.”

At the same time, there have been indications here that the administration’s warning that President Obama could cancel a planned meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin in September if Mr. Snowden remained in Russia might be complicating the issue. A decision on granting temporary status to Mr. Snowden while officials consider his request for temporary political asylum, which had been expected this week, now appears likely to be weeks away, according to officials.

Mr. Peskov also said that Mr. Putin was resolved to avoid a deterioration in relations with the United States and that he remained in contact with “his American counterparts.”

“You can see by the president’s schedule that he has not given it up for the sake of keeping an eye on Snowden,” Mr. Peskov was quoted as saying.
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 08:21 am
Government unveils secret order to Verizon

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The Obama administration on Wednesday made public a previously classified order that directed Verizon Communications to turn over a vast number of Americans’ phone records, senior U.S. officials said.

The formerly secret order was unveiled along with other documents by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. as top Obama administration officials were preparing to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee in a hearing on oversight of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

A statement issued by Clapper’s office said he “has determined that the release of these documents is in the public interest.”

The primary court order sets forth the government’s privacy safeguards for the National Security Agency’s program to collect the bulk phone call detail records of millions of Americans. The order, signed by a judge from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, does not give a detailed explanation of the legal rationale for the program.

Rather, it is an apparent effort by the administration to allay privacy concerns raised by the leaking of a secondary court order by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden that documented the NSA’s program to collect “all call detail records” of phone calls from U.S. phone companies for counterterrorism purposes.

The order was issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to a subsidiary of Verizon in April. Officials described it as the formal order underlying the directive that was disclosed in June by Snowden, who is accused of leaking classified information about surveillance programs.

The officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, expressed hope that the now-declassified document will shed light on how the U.S. government obtains communications records under FISA and the restrictions placed on surveillance programs.

The order from April covers the same length of time as the order previously disclosed by Snowden. Officials have said the Justice Department seeks renewal for the bulk-collection orders every 90 days.

The “top secret” 17-page order, heavily redacted to remove any information about the company providing the records or the target of the investigation, was originally scheduled to be declassified in April 2038. It demands “all call detail records or ‘telephony metadata’ created by [redacted].” A footnote specifies that “telephone metadata does not include the substantive content of any communication . . . or the name, address, or financial information of a subscriber or customer.”

The order notes that the NSA must “strictly adhere” to “minimization” procedures to protect the privacy of U.S. persons, for example, restricting access to authorized personnel.

According to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, who penned an opinion piece Wednesday in The Washington Post, the authorized personnel consist of 22 analysts.

The release came as the Judiciary Committee convened to hear testimony by officials from the Justice Department, the NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. They face questions about NSA surveillance programs and the collection of Americans’ communications data.

Appearing before the committee Wednesday were Deputy Attorney General James Cole; National Security Agency Deputy Director John C. Inglis; Robert S. Litt, general counsel in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence; and Sean M. Joyce, deputy director of the FBI. Scheduled to testify as part of a second panel were James G. Carr, a senior federal judge in Toledo, Ohio; Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union; and Stewart Baker, a Washington lawyer.

At a similar hearing by the House Judiciary Committee this month, lawmakers expressed deep skepticism over the NSA’s bulk collection of phone records.

The phone records include basic information on the calls of millions of Americans — such as the phone numbers dialed, the time of the call and the length of the conversations — but not the content of the calls.

U.S. officials have defended the collection, saying it has proved vital to the disruption of terrorist plots in the United States and overseas. But some lawmakers have said the NSA’s program goes beyond the more targeted collection of communications data that was authorized by Congress.

Under questioning at Wednesday’s hearing from Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), intelligence officials stressed that the surveillance program authorized by Section 215 of the Patriot Act does not collect individual names, addresses or social security numbers, or capture the content of phone calls.

“Nobody is listening to anybody’s conversations through this program, and through this program nobody could,” Cole said.

He also emphasized that phone numbers cannot be mined for data unless the number has a “reasonable, articulable” suspicion of being connected to terrorism.

Feinstein says she wants more information about what data is being gathered, and what impact it is having in terms of combating terrorism.

“I believe . . . we would place this nation in jeopardy if we eliminated those two programs,” she said.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 08:36 am
READ: Declassified government documents related to NSA collection of telephone metadata records
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 09:54 am
@revelette,
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U.S. Assures Russia Snowden Will Not Face Death Penalty


Snowden: Maybe I'll come back if you can assure me that Bush, Cheney and the gang, plus all the war criminals from the Reagan era that are alive, plus all the CIA terrorists, the Cuban terrorists WILL face the death penalty.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 07:46 pm
It would seems that the people who wear tin foil hats are 100 percents correct at least as far as the internet is concern.

Once more tor and pgp and others steps is called for by anyone who do not care for a bore government employee or government contractor to be able to know/read all your internet traffic.


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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/31/tech/web/snowden-leak-xkeyscore/



(CNN) -- You've never heard of XKeyscore, but it definitely knows you. The National Security Agency's top-secret program essentially makes available everything you've ever done on the Internet — browsing history, searches, content of your emails, online chats, even your metadata — all at the tap of the keyboard.
The Guardian exposed the program on Wednesday in a follow-up piece to its groundbreaking report on the NSA's surveillance practices. Shortly after publication, Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former Booz Allen Hamilton employee who worked for the NSA for four years, came forward as the source.
This latest revelation comes from XKeyscore training materials, which Snowden also provided to The Guardian. The NSA sums up the program best: XKeyscore is its "widest reaching" system for developing intelligence from the Internet.
The program gives analysts the ability to search through the entire database of your information without any prior authorization — no warrant, no court clearance, no signature on a dotted line. An analyst must simply complete a simple onscreen form, and seconds later, your online history is no longer private. The agency claims that XKeyscore covers "nearly everything a typical user does on the Internet."
As The Guardian points out, this program crystallizes one of Snowden's most infamous admissions from his video interview on June 10:
"I, sitting at my desk," said Snowden, could "wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge or even the president, if I had a personal email."
While United States officials denied this claim, the XKeyscore program, as the public understands it, proves Snowden's point. The law requires the NSA to obtain FISA warrants on U.S. citizens, but this is pushed aside for Americans with foreign targets — and this program gives the NSA the technology to do so. The training materials claim XKeyscore assisted in capturing 300 terrorists by 2008.
The Guardian article breaks down how the program works with each activity, from email monitoring to chats and browsing history, and includes screenshots from the training materials.
The Guardian reached out to the NSA for comment prior to publication. The agency defended the program, stressing that it was only used to legally obtain information about "legitimate foreign intelligence targets in response to requirements that our leaders need for information necessary to protect our nation and its interests."
"XKeyscore is used as a part of NSA's lawful foreign signals intelligence collection system," the agency said in its response. "Allegations of widespread, unchecked analyst access to NSA collection data are simply not true. Access to XKeyscore, as well as all of NSA's analytic tools, is limited to only those personnel who require access for their assigned tasks ... .
"In addition, there are multiple technical, manual and supervisory checks and balances within the system to prevent deliberate misuse from occurring. Every search by an NSA analyst is fully auditable, to ensure that they are proper and within the law. These types of programs allow us to collect the information that enables us to perform our missions successfully -- to defend the nation and to protect U.S. and allied troops abroad."
XKeyscore is the second black mark on the NSA's record in the past few weeks. The Guardian's first story uncovered PRISM, a highly controversial surveillance program that reportedly allows the security agency to access the servers of major Internet organizations including Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Yahoo, YouTube and Skype, among others.
Snowden's information led to a public outcry for transparency, and the U.S. government pushed to declassify more information about PRISM in an effort to paint a clearer picture about the program.
Snowden has been charged with espionage. He is currently holed up in the transit area of Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport while his request for asylum is under review by Russian immigration authorities, according to Snowden's lawyer.
This article originally appeared on Mashable.
© 2013 MASHABLE.com. All rights reserved.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 09:13 pm
@BillRM,
Dictionaries the world over are all rushing to get a new definition for EVIL entered, one that is easy for everyone to understand - it's 'USA'.
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revelette
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 08:22 am
Edward Snowden Has Entered Russia, Lawyer Says

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MOSCOW — National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden left the transit zone of a Moscow airport and entered Russia after authorities granted him asylum for one year, his lawyer said Thursday.

Anatoly Kucherena said that Snowden's whereabouts will be kept secret for security reasons. The former NSA systems analyst was stuck at Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport since his arrival from Hong Kong on June 23.

"He now is one of the most sought after men in the world," Kucherena told reporters at the airport. "The issue of security is very important for him."

The U.S. has demanded that Russia send Snowden home to face prosecution for espionage, but President Vladimir Putin dismissed the request.

Putin had said that Snowden could receive asylum in Russia on condition he stops leaking U.S. secrets. Kucherena has said Snowden accepted the condition.

The Guardian newspaper on Wednesday published a new report on U.S. intelligence-gathering based on information from Snowden, but Kucherena said the material was provided before Snowden promised to stop leaking.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2013 07:48 pm
Welcome frostygirl,

Firefly is the only major poster on this system that have reveal zero about herself or her background.

If she had taken any precautions to not leaved an IP address that could be track back there would be no way of finding her due to her silent in that area.

In any case, not revealing all that must of your background is a wise thing that I have not follow at all on this website.

Using Proxies are also a good step however better would be the TOR network at torproject.org.

Amazing that the US government is viewing the whole world population including it own citizens as guilt of something that call for the monitoring of everyone.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 01:59 pm
@BillRM,
Who is frostygirl? I can't find a previous post in this thread by someone with that name. Are you talking to yourself?
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Firefly is the only major poster on this system that have reveal zero about herself or her background.

Really? Tell us all about JTT. Bet you know a lot more about me than you do about JTT.
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In any case, not revealing all that must of your background is a wise thing that I have not follow at all on this website.

Well, that makes me wise, in your view, and you admit to not being very wise regarding yourself. And I'd have to agree with you, you're not very wise.

Still obsessed with me, aren't you? Laughing




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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 03:23 pm
Quote:
The New York Times
August 2, 2013
Court Rulings Blur the Line Between a Spy and a Leaker

By ADAM LIPTAK

WASHINGTON — The government is prosecuting leakers at a brisk clip and on novel theories. It is collecting information from and about journalists, calling one a criminal and threatening another with jail. In its failed effort to persuade Russia to return another leaker, Edward J. Snowden, it felt compelled to say that he would not be tortured or executed.

These developments are rapidly revising the conventional view of the role of the First Amendment in national security cases. The scale of disclosures made possible by digital media, the government’s vast surveillance apparatus and the rise of unorthodox publishers like WikiLeaks have unsettled longstanding understandings of the role of mass media in American democracy.

This is so even where the government was the nominal loser. Consider the case of Pfc. Bradley Manning, who dodged a legal bullet on Tuesday, winning an acquittal on the most serious charge against him: that releasing government secrets to the public amounted to “aiding the enemy.”

But a dodged bullet is still a bullet.

The military judge in Private Manning’s case ruled last year that there was no First Amendment problem with the government’s legal theory. Providing classified information for mass distribution, she said, is a sort of treason if the government can prove the defendant knew “he was giving intelligence to the enemy” by “indirect means.”

The verdict thus means only that military prosecutors did not prove their case. The legal theory stands, and it troubles even usual critics of unauthorized disclosures of government secrets.

“It blurs the distinction between leakers and spies,” said Gabriel Schoenfeld, the author of “Necessary Secrets: National Security, the Media, and the Rule of Law.” He said the government might have lost a battle but made headway in a larger war by “raising the charge and making it seem plausible.”

Something similar happened in 1971, when President Richard M. Nixon failed to stop the publication of the Pentagon Papers, a secret history of the Vietnam War. The Supreme Court’s ruling allowing The New York Times and The Washington Post to publish the papers is often said to be a high-water mark in the annals of press freedom.

But like the Manning verdict, the decision represented a shift in the understanding of the First Amendment.

“The American press was freer before it won its battle with the government,” Alexander Bickel, the Yale law professor who represented The New York Times in the case, wrote in his classic 1975 book, “The Morality of Consent.”

“Through the troubles of 1798, through one civil and two world wars and other wars, there had never been an effort by the federal government to censor a newspaper by attempting to impose a prior restraint,” Professor Bickel wrote. “That spell was broken, and in a sense, freedom was thus diminished.”

Worse, from the perspective of the news media, the victory in the Pentagon Papers case was distinctly limited and helped shape the Manning prosecution.

“A majority of the Supreme Court not only left open the possibility of prior restraints in other cases but of criminal sanctions being imposed on the press following publication of the Pentagon Papers themselves,” Floyd Abrams, who also represented The Times in the case, wrote in a new book, “Friend of the Court.”

According to a 1975 memoir by Whitney North Seymour Jr., who was the United States attorney in Manhattan in the early 1970s, Richard G. Kleindienst, a deputy attorney general, suggested convening a grand jury in New York to that end. Mr. Seymour said he refused. A grand jury was then convened in Boston, but it did not issue an indictment.

The “aiding the enemy” charge in the Manning case was based on military law, and it is not directly applicable to leakers in other parts of the government or to reporters and publishers. But the theory on which it was based has echoes in the more general espionage laws.

Until recently, its leading proponent was Nixon, who mused on the matter in a meeting in the Oval Office the day after The Times published the first installment of its reports on the Pentagon Papers.

“That’s treasonable,” he said to an aide, “due to the fact that it’s aid to the enemy and it’s a release of classified documents.”

In “Fighting for the Press,” a new book about the case, James C. Goodale, who was general counsel of the Times Company at the time, said President Obama has followed in Nixon’s footsteps.

“Obama apparently cannot distinguish between communicating information to the enemy and communicating information to the press,” Mr. Goodale wrote. “The former is espionage, the latter is not.”

But John Yoo, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and a former Bush administration lawyer, said that distinction broke down in the Manning case because he did not make his disclosures directly to the establishment press.

“Manning’s defenders will say that Manning only leaked information to the 21st-century equivalent of a newspaper, and that he could not have known that Al Qaeda would read it,” Professor Yoo wrote in National Review Online.

“But WikiLeaks is not The New York Times or The Wall Street Journal, and it does not have First Amendment rights,” he added. “Manning communicated regularly with WikiLeaks’ founder and would have known about the group’s anarchic, anti-U.S. mission.”

In June, David Gregory asked Glenn Greenwald a question in a similar vein on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” Mr. Greenwald had written articles on government surveillance programs for The Guardian based on materials from Mr. Snowden, a former National Security Agency contractor.

“To the extent that you have aided and abetted Snowden, even in his current movements, why shouldn’t you, Mr. Greenwald, be charged with a crime?” Mr. Gregory asked.

Mr. Greenwald responded, “If you want to embrace that theory, it means that every investigative journalist in the United States who works with their sources, who receives classified information, is a criminal.”

The Obama administration seemed to adopt that view in seeking a court order to examine the e-mails of James Rosen of Fox News. The administration’s lawyers said there was “probable cause to believe” that Mr. Rosen was “at the very least” an “an aider and abettor and/or co-conspirator” in violations of the espionage laws.

New Justice Department guidelines, partly a reaction to the furor over the Rosen matter, say the department will not treat “ordinary news-gathering activities” as criminal conduct. But the guidelines do not define those activities.

Last month, a federal appeals court agreed with the Justice Department that James Risen, an author and New York Times reporter, must testify in a prosecution under the espionage laws or face contempt charges.

To date, there have been no prosecutions of journalists in the United States for seeking or publishing classified information. But two lobbyists with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, were charged in 2005 with violating the espionage laws for conduct they said was functionally equivalent to journalism: they had learned government secrets and passed them along to others.

As in the Manning case, the firewall turned out not to be the First Amendment but the difficulty of proving intent. After Judge T.S. Ellis of Federal District Court in Alexandria, Va., ruled that the government had to show the defendants knew their conduct would hurt the United States, prosecutors dropped the charges.

But Judge Ellis had a larger message, too. He said the case “exposes the inherent tension between the government transparency so essential to a democratic society and the government’s equally compelling need to protect from disclosure information that could be used by those who wish this nation harm.”

“The rights protected by the First Amendment,” he added, “must at times yield to the need for national security.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/03/us/politics/first-amendments-role-comes-into-question-as-leakers-are-prosecuted.html?hp
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 2 Aug, 2013 09:57 pm
@firefly,
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But John Yoo, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and a former Bush administration lawyer,


That's just nuts, to be reporting what a war criminal has to say.
 

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