We Have No Privacy, We Are Always Being Watched.

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But John Yoo, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and a former Bush administration lawyer,

That's just nuts, to be reporting what a war criminal has to say.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/08/03/usa-security-hacking-ethics-idINL1N0G404020130803


U.S. NSA revelations could hurt collaboration with 'betrayed' hackers


By Joseph Menn
LAS VEGAS | Sat Aug 3, 2013 11:50pm IST
Aug 3 (Reuters) - The U.S. government's efforts to recruit talented hackers could suffer from the recent revelations about its vast domestic surveillance programs, as many private researchers express disillusionment with the National Security Agency.

Though hackers tend to be anti-establishment by nature, the NSA and other intelligence agencies had made major inroads in recent years in hiring some of the best and brightest, and paying for information on software flaws that help them gain access to target computers and phones.

Much of that goodwill has been erased after the NSA's classified programs to monitor phone records and Internet activity were exposed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, according to prominent hackers and cyber experts.

A turn in the community's sentiment was on show at two major security conventions in Las Vegas this week: Black Hat, which attracts more established cyber professionals, and Def Con, which gets a larger gathering of younger, more independent hackers.

"We've gone backwards about 10 years in the relations between the good guys and the U.S. government," said Alex Stamos, a veteran security researcher who was to give a Def Con talk on Saturday on the need to revisit industry ethics.

Stamos has willingly briefed FBI and NSA officials on his work in the past, but said that he would now want their questions in writing and he would bring a lawyer to any meeting.

With top intelligence officials warning in March that cyber attacks and cyber espionage have supplanted terrorism as the top security threat facing the United States, the administration is trying to boost security in critical infrastructure and the military is vastly increasing its ranks of computer specialists.

The NSA, working with the Department of Homeland Security, has been lending more of its expertise to protect defense contractors, banks, utilities and other industries that are being spied upon or attacked by rival nations.

These efforts rely on recruiting talented hackers and working with professionals in the private sector.

Some security experts remain supportive of the government. NSA Director Keith Alexander's talk at the Black Hat conference was well received on Wednesday, despite a few hecklers.

But at the larger and less expensive Def Con, where attendance is expected to top last year's 15,000, conference founder and government advisor Jeff Moss asked federal agents to stay away.

Moss last year brought Alexander as a keynote speaker to woo the hacking community. But he said the relationship between hackers and the government has worsened since then.

"I haven't seen this level or sort of animosity since the 90s," Moss said in an interview. "If you aren't going to say anything in these circumstances, then you never are."

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WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency is searching the contents of vast amounts of Americans’ e-mail and text communications into and out of the country, hunting for people who mention information about foreigners under surveillance, according to intelligence officials.

The N.S.A. is not just intercepting the communications of Americans who are in direct contact with foreigners targeted overseas, a practice that government officials have openly acknowledged. It is also casting a far wider net for people who cite information linked to those foreigners, like a little used e-mail address, according to a senior intelligence official.

Oh, well, by all means, we must keep the good will of internet hackers.

I don't know, maybe its just me, but I am finding it hard to work up any outrage over this stuff.

revelette wrote:

I don't know, maybe its just me, but I am finding it hard to work up any outrage over this stuff.

If the NSA knocked on your door and said "we're fighting terrorism, please hand over all your phone l0gs, emails and Internet logs" would you say, "just a moment, let me get them" or "why on earth are you asking me for this?"

My guess is that Revelette feels as I do. I would simply say..."it is okay with me to do what you are doing...you do not even have to ask me. I have nothing to hide."

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My guess is that Revelette feels as I do. I would simply say..."it is okay with me to do what you are doing...you do not even have to ask me. I have nothing to hide."

Founding fathers would be rolling in their graves as they never did trust the very government they was creating and placed all manners of safe guards in placed to limit that government power including the fourth amendment.

Now if they was coming into my home they better have a warrant and after carrying out all my computer gear I would be laughing thinking of the amount of resources and computer time they would shortly be eating up in trying to break my layers of computer security and if in the end they did so they would find zero of interests.

Every millions of dollars that are used to break my security is that must less resources available to invade someone else rights to privacy.

interesting that you would delight in seeing them waste taxpayer money doing it.Well...if they had some reason to do it...I find it

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interesting that you would delight in seeing them waste taxpayer money doing it.Well...if they had some reason to do it...I find it

More then delighted and that is the reason that I decided if they ever would demand the searching of my computer on the way back into the country I would cheerfully hand it over to them and wish them the best of luck.

No matter how must resources they have to spy on the citizens there is a limit that would be reach in short order if even a few hundreds thousands in a nation of 300 millions would made them work at it.

If they did, I would give them whatever they asked for, if they had a warrant; which more than likely they would because I am a US citizen.

My guess is that Revelette feels as I do. I would simply say..."it is okay with me to do what you are doing...you do not even have to ask me. I have nothing to hide."

The people making the most fuss about it are the ones who, if a another serious attack occurred here or elsewhere in the world, would be demanding to know why the government had not done more to prevent it.

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My guess is that Revelette feels as I do. I would simply say..."it is okay with me to do what you are doing...you do not even have to ask me. I have nothing to hide."

Having nothing to hide and expecting a little privacy are different matters. The NSA spied on military members talking to their spouses from Iraq and Afganistan, especially juicy sex talk. They have all the Internet links that you look at. Are you sure that taken out of context some of those links wouldn't paint an interesting picture? Look at any porn? Read up about gay rights a lot? Read a lot of overseas newspapers? Have you exchanged email with any doctors? Should the NSA be privy to your medical emails? They are now and the idea that your private information will not leaked, misused or taken out of context has already been proven false.