We Have No Privacy, We Are Always Being Watched.

@BillRM,

I think most people here would do a double take if the FBI came to their house and asked for their communication data but the NSA taking it without asking doesn't get a lot of scrutiny.

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@BillRM,

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@engineer,

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@engineer,

I imagine they wouldn't be able to find it, before some new alarum redirects their footsteps, and they don't like to admit it.

They are all just like you and me in all essentials.

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@engineer,

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As to your suggesting that Congress should remedy this through changes to the Patriot Act, I agree. Now they know what the shape of the beast looks like so the next time they vote they will be better informed.

What do you want to bet there will no vote and no real push to make any changes or even a big public outcry for changes to be made? I think other than the extent, none of this is new and there hasn't been a big push to change any of it since after 2007 when the Bush administration was wiretapping without warrants or any congressional oversight.

While all of congress hasn't been informed, the top leaders of the intelligence committee have been kept informed. The guy probably lied because they didn't want to disclose to the whole committee what they had been at such pains to keep to a few. Of course they let an awful lot of others persons such as independents contractors have more clearance than members of congress which makes no sense to their object of purpose. My point is that other than the scope which hasn't been a secret to everybody, no one has been clamoring to change the Patriot Act and I bet you anything, they won't now and they won't in the future.

I personally hope they do just as a matter of stating my position.

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@spendius,

It's odd that the word "leak" is applied in this business bearing in mind the connotations the word carries and especially when the leak is involuntary.

The idea that the leak is not involuntary is mind-boggling.

That's a question of the faith we have in the competence of the intelligence services.

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@revelette,

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What do you want to bet there will no vote and no real push to make any changes or even a big public outcry for changes to be made?

That is why a worldwide push using technology is likely to occur to take away the power of NSA and the government as a whole to do this level of spying.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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What do you want to bet there will no vote and no real push to make any changes or even a big public outcry for changes to be made?

That is why a worldwide push using technology is likely to occur to take away the power of NSA and the government as a whole to do this level of spying.

And right after the worldwide push gets this thing taken care of...it ought to turn its attention to eliminating earthquakes and hurricanes.

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@Frank Apisa,

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And right after the worldwide push gets this thing taken care of...it ought to turn its attention to eliminating earthquakes and hurricanes.

So you are claiming that using encrypting on all of the internet traffic is the same level of task as eliminating earthquakes?

Strange as the FBI is always crying about the danger of the internet going dark meaning that everything is encrypted and they can not longer read the traffic with or without court orders.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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And right after the worldwide push gets this thing taken care of...it ought to turn its attention to eliminating earthquakes and hurricanes.

So you are claiming that using encrypting on all of the internet traffic is the same level of task as eliminating earthquakes?

Strange as the FBI is always crying about the danger of the internet going dark meaning that everything is encrypted and they can not longer read the traffic with or without court orders.

No, Bill. What I am saying is that the notion that there will be a worldwide push to eliminate this "problem" is about as likely to be successful as would be a worldwide push to eliminate earthquakes and hurricanes.

Said another way: It ain't gonna happen. It is more wishful thinking. Fantasy.

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@Frank Apisa,

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No, Bill. What I am saying is that the notion that there will be a worldwide push to eliminate this "problem" is about as likely to be successful as would be a worldwide push to eliminate earthquakes and hurricanes.

Said another way: It ain't gonna happen. It is more wishful thinking. Fantasy.

Well the FBI before congress had more then once express worry that this fantasy would come true.

An the reaction to the news to date had been up to a 3000 percent increased of people using encryption software.

I am sure that all the citizens of the EU and all the governments of the EU are overjoy with the NSA massive spying and are not going to take steps to stop it when to do so is not all that hard or expenses.

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@BillRM,

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No, Bill. What I am saying is that the notion that there will be a worldwide push to eliminate this "problem" is about as likely to be successful as would be a worldwide push to eliminate earthquakes and hurricanes.

Said another way: It ain't gonna happen. It is more wishful thinking. Fantasy.

Well the FBI before congress had more then once express worry that this fantasy would come true.

An the reaction to the news to date had been up to a 3000 percent increased of people using encryption software.

I am sure that all the citizens of the EU and all the governments of the EU are overjoy with the NSA massive spying and are not going to take steps to stop it when to do so is not all that hard or expenses.

Bill...when the worldwide push to correct this finally corrects it...get back to me.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Bill...when the worldwide push to correct this finally corrects it...get back to me.

Well will the EU do?

Reding is the EU Justice Commissione chief

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Reding said she had "serious concerns" about the recent reports of "large-scale" accessing and processing of EU citizens' data using major online service providers in an article for The New York Times. The PRISM scandal "hit a raw nerve" because Europeans "care about their privacy." She stated that new tools enabling Europeans to "deal with this kind of scenario are contained in the European Commission's proposal."

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Bill...when the worldwide push to correct this finally corrects it...get back to me.

Well will the EU do?

Reding is the EU Justice Commissione chief

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Reding said she had "serious concerns" about the recent reports of "large-scale" accessing and processing of EU citizens' data using major online service providers in an article for The New York Times. The PRISM scandal "hit a raw nerve" because Europeans "care about their privacy." She stated that new tools enabling Europeans to "deal with this kind of scenario are contained in the European Commission's proposal."

When this "worldwide push" to correct all this finally gets it corrected...get back to me.

I doubt it will every happen...so I am not expecting to hear from you that it has.

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@BillRM,

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She stated that new tools enabling Europeans to "deal with this kind of scenario are contained in the European Commission's proposal."

If they include making it a criminal offence then the staff of the NSA would be subject to extradition to Europe to stand trial. That would solve all your problems.

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@spendius,

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She stated that new tools enabling Europeans to "deal with this kind of scenario are contained in the European Commission's proposal."

If they include making it a criminal offence then the staff of the NSA would be subject to extradition to Europe to stand trial. That would solve all your problems.

Thank you, Spendius.

I hope that finally wakes Bill up.

Whether it does or not...it was excellent use of humor to make a point.

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@Frank Apisa,

On the snooping front line.

There was a short item on Fox the other night which showed a vehicle come through the wall of a restaurant and knock the table over that six people were dining at.

What was a camera doing trained on a table of six diners inside the joint? It is stretching it to ask us to believe that a roving camera just happened to be trained on the table just as the truck bonnet suddenly hove into view.

I don't think anybody was hurt. If you didn't blink you got a quick flash of the human organism when not posing.

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@spendius,

I dare say that the diners might have developed various painful symptoms after a lapse of time.

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@spendius,

There is a lot of that "staged" stuff going on. We have a TV program over here called, America's Funniest Videos. The inappropriateness of the cameras indicates to me that a lot of the stuff is not impromptu at all...but staged.

Crashing a car into a dinner party is getting a bit extreme, though.

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@Frank Apisa,

It didn't look staged because it was surprising that nobody was seriously hurt. But I suppose a staging might have employed too enthusiastic a driver.

We live in a hall of mirrors which the Church cannot match. Most atheists would believe it a road traffic accident. It looks like they believe that those broads who strut the red carpet at the Oscars are sexy.

Which I am agnostic about for obvious reasons.

The more likely explanation is that the camera was on the diners throughout the meal.

If it was staged then it was probably a "set" in a building the wreckers were due to start on soon.

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