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We Have No Privacy, We Are Always Being Watched.

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2013 05:28 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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I just read that in Google. Thanks!


Did you need Google to satisfy yourself on that account?


Yes...I am not a know-it-all like you.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2013 06:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Yes...I am not a know-it-all like you.


Come on girls let try to play nice....... Rolling Eyes
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 08:36 am
@roger,
A few pages back, did share my opinion, but thanks for asking. I was against it when the Bush administration secretly wiretapped without going through the courts or even committees in congress who get reports now on all this. I think, there might be more ways for the FISA court to be more open with more members of congress or something. (a little above my understanding of how those things work) I also think they need to do a serious overhaul of these contractors and people who get security clearances, seemingly almost off the street. I don't understand having all these secret courts and just a few members of congress being briefed on these programs and then just letting contractors have assess to classified information. Seems stupid to me.

revelette
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 08:42 am
Speaking of contractors:

Budget cuts hit security checks for defense contractors


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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 09:17 am
Fox News said last night that 5 million people had security clearance. 3.5 million government employees and the rest in the private sector.

I think that's just about the size the Soviet Communist Party was in the '60s.

In samples of that magnitude human nature will operate pretty consistently.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 09:22 am
Sorry for multiple postings, just read this and its related to what I was talking about in my previous posts.

Obama faces demands to declassify scope of surveillance powers

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Momentum is building in Congress for the Obama administration to declassify a key aspect of government surveillance, the secret legal opinions from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court that define the scope of the government’s powers under laws like the Patriot Act.

Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff of California and Republican Rep. Todd Rokita of Indiana, have introduced a bipartisan House bill that would compel the administration to declassify the secret FISA court opinions unless the attorney general determines doing so would compromise national security. The bill follows on the heels of a similar proposal from Democratic Senators Jeff Merkley of Oregon and Republican Mike Lee of Utah in the Senate.

“In order to have an informed public debate on the merits of these programs, it is important for the American people to know how such programs have been authorized, their limits and their scope,” Schiff said in a statement. Congress has previously voted down efforts to force the Obama administration to disclose more information about the way national security laws are interpreted.

(more at the source)

It seems to me to be a pretty light proposal anyway since they put in "unless the attorney general determines doing so would compromise national security."
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 09:51 am
@revelette,
Kite flying revel. Reminding their voters of the impact they are having in Washington.

The idea that such gents wish to see "informed public debate" is ludicrous.
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jun, 2013 10:21 am
@revelette,
Thank you, and sorry I overlooked the previous answer.
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revelette
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 05:54 am
Roger, thanks.
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revelette
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 05:57 am
Edward Snowden Charged With Espionage Over NSA Leaks

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WASHINGTON, June 21 (Reuters) - The United States has filed espionage charges against Edward Snowden, a former U.S. National Security Agency contractor who admitted revealing secret surveillance programs to media outlets, according to a court document made public on Friday.

Snowden, who is believed to be in hiding in Hong Kong, was charged with theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information and willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person, said the criminal complaint, which was dated June 14.

The latter two offenses fall under the U.S. Espionage Act and carry penalties of fines and up to 10 years in prison.

A single page of the complaint was unsealed on Friday. An accompanying affidavit remained under seal.

The charges are the government's first step in what could be a long legal battle to return Snowden from Hong Kong and try him in a U.S. court.

Two U.S. sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the United States was preparing to seek Snowden's extradition from Hong Kong, which is part of China but has wide-ranging autonomy, including an independent judiciary.




The Washington Post, which first reported the criminal complaint earlier on Friday, said the United States had asked Hong Kong to detain Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant.

There was no immediate response to requests for comment from Hong Kong's security bureau.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 08:24 pm
@revelette,
At least the US never has to fear filling up its prisons with honest Americans.
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revelette
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 07:10 am
Edward Snowden Leaves Hong Kong For Moscow: Newspaper

Miller
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 07:54 am
@revelette,


Soon he'll be coming back to the USA....Wait and see..."By hook or by crook."
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 08:41 am
@Miller,
Do you think the USA actually wants him back? It can't be said that it doesn't of course. But does it?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 08:46 am
@spendius,
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Do you think the USA actually wants him back? It can't be said that it doesn't of course. But does it?


I been wondering that also.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 12:54 pm
@Miller,
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Soon he'll be coming back to the USA....Wait and see..."By hook or by crook."


I'd say if it happens it's most likely to be by crook. The US excels at breaking the law.
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revelette
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 06:27 am
Edward Snowden Says He Sought Booz Allen Hamilton Job To Gather NSA Surveillance Evidence

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Asked if he specifically went to Booz Allen Hamilton to gather evidence of surveillance, he replied: “Correct on Booz.”

His intention was to collect information about the NSA hacking into “the whole world” and “not specifically Hong Kong and China”.

The documents he divulged to the Post were obtained during his tenure at Booz Allen Hamilton in April, he said.

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revelette
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 06:37 am
Russia Rejects U.S. Demand for Snowden’s Extradition

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(MOSCOW) — Russia’s foreign minister on Tuesday bluntly rejected U.S. demands to extradite National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, who has apparently stopped in Moscow while trying to evade U.S. justice, saying that Snowden hasn’t crossed the Russian border.

Sergey Lavrov insisted that Russia has nothing to do with him or his travel plans. Lavrov wouldn’t say where Snowden is, but he angrily lashed out at the U.S. for demanding his extradition and warnings of negative consequences if Moscow fails to comply.

“We consider the attempts to accuse Russia of violation of U.S. laws and even some sort of conspiracy, which on top of all that are accompanied by threats, as absolutely ungrounded and unacceptable,” Lavrov said. “There are no legal grounds for such conduct of U.S. officials, and we proceed from that.”

U.S and Ecuadorean officials said they believed Snowden was still in Russia, where he fled Sunday after weeks of hiding out in Hong Kong following his disclosure of the broad scope of two highly classified counterterror surveillance programs to two newspapers. The programs collect vast amounts of Americans’ phone records and worldwide online data in the name of national security.

Lavrov claimed that the Russian government has only found out about Snowden’s flight from Hong Kong from news reports.

“We have no relation to Mr. Snowden, his relations with the American justice or his travel around the world,” Lavrov said. “He chooses his route himself, and we have learned about it from the media.”



JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 01:28 pm
@revelette,
Amnesty International urges the US not to hunt down Edward Snowden since “no one should be prosecuted for disclosing human rights violations by the government.”

See, Frank, no one has to follow the crimes of another. You should [LOL emoticon] have known better.


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US must not prosecute NSA whistleblower Snowden – Amnesty Intl

http://rt.com/news/amnesty-rights-nsa-snowden-215/

Amnesty International urges the US not to hunt down Edward Snowden since “no one should be prosecuted for disclosing human rights violations by the government.” They also said the NSA leaker cannot be extradited while his asylum bid is underway.

“No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the US government. Such disclosures are protected under the rights to information and freedom of expression,” said Widney Brown, Senior Director of International Law and Policy at Amnesty International.

Snowden, who is behind the biggest intelligence leak in the NSA history, was charged under the Espionage Act in the US.

“It appears he is being charged by the US government primarily for revealing its and other governments’ unlawful actions that violate human rights,” the human rights watchdog’s official pointed out.

As the American authorities’ world-wide chase for Snowden continues, Washington has called on states in the Western Hemisphere to surrender the NSA whistleblower to US jurisdiction.

Snowden – who turned 30 four days ago – arrived in Moscow from Hong Kong on Sunday and has since then remained in a transit zone of Sheremetyevo airport in the Russian capital. His arrival “came as a surprise” for Russian authorities, President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday. The Russian leader also dismissed all accusations against Russia in connection with the Snowden case as “rubbish and nonsense.”

“As a transit passenger he is entitled to buy a ticket and fly wherever he wants to. He does not cross [Russia’s] state border, therefore he does not need a visa,” Putin underlined.

Snowden requested political asylum in Ecuador and the country’s government vowed to analyze his bid and then make a decision on the matter. Additionally, WikiLeaks – which has remained in contact with the NSA leaker and provided him with assistance - approached Iceland and other countries with a formal request for Asylum for Snowden.

Earlier, the whistleblower’s American passport is thought to have been revoked – which, according to Amnesty International, interferes with the NSA leaker’s rights to freedom of movement and seeking asylum elsewhere.

“Regardless of where Snowden ends up he has the right to seek asylum. For such a claim to succeed, he must demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution. Even if such a claim failed, no country can return a person to another country where there is a substantial risk of ill-treatment,” said Amnesty International’s Brown.

The organization believes Snowden’s forced transfer to American soil would put him at risk of human rights violations and “must be challenged.”

Michael Bochenek, Director of Law and Policy at the activist group, told RT they “raised a lot of concerns” about the crimes for which he is being sought and the treatment he might receive upon his surrender to the US.

“With respect to the treatment, we know from other cases – for e.g. from the case of Bradley Manning – that individuals have been subjected to what, not just we, but also UN officials have called “cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.” And that is yet another potential violation of human rights law to which somebody should not be subjected. It’s a reason not to extradite,” he said.

In his view, there is nothing wrong with governments keeping secret information on international security, and particularly information that can hurt anyone if disclosed. But, Bochenek went on to say, that was not what the Obama Administration or his predecessor President Bush’s administration were trying to do.

“What we are really seeing now is a continuation and argumentation of the policies that began with President Bush really to extend government power to the utmost and beyond and also to use all the tools at their disposal to enforce a vision of the world in a sense of the projection of the US power that too often is disregarding [of human rights],” he stated.

Now that it is getting harder for governments around the world to keep information classified, they should keep in mind that when they “invade the privacy” of their own or foreign citizens without any cause or suspicious bit only “in order to get information you think might be useful someday in some sense” - questions will be asked.

“The chickens will come home to roost, as they say in the US,” Bochenek pointed out.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jun, 2013 01:41 pm
@Frank Apisa,
China's state newspaper praises Edward Snowden for 'tearing off Washington's sanctimonious mask'


State-run People's Daily says whistleblower has exposed US hypocrisy after Washington blamed Beijing for his escape

Jonathan Kaiman in Beijing and agencies
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 25 June 2013 10.22 BST


China's top state newspaper has praised the fugitive US spy agency contractor Edward Snowden for "tearing off Washington's sanctimonious mask" and rejected accusations Beijing had facilitated his departure from Hong Kong.

The strongly worded front-page commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist party, responded to harsh criticism of China from the US for allowing Snowden to flee.

The Chinese government has said it was gravely concerned by Snowden's allegations that the US had hacked into many networks in Hong Kong and China, including Tsinghua University, which hosts one of the country's internet hubs, and Chinese mobile network companies. It said it had taken the issue up with Washington.

"Not only did the US authorities not give us an explanation and apology, it instead expressed dissatisfaction at the Hong Kong special administrative region for handling things in accordance with law," wrote Wang Xinjun, a researcher at the Academy of Military Science in the People's Daily commentary.

"In a sense, the United States has gone from a 'model of human rights' Laughing to 'an eavesdropper on personal privacy', the 'manipulator' of the centralised power over the international internet, and the mad 'invader' of other countries' networks," the People's Daily said.

...

Of course, you'll want the link so you can read the rest of it, right, Frank?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/25/peoples-daily-savages-us-over-snowden
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