We Have No Privacy, We Are Always Being Watched.

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Perhaps more accurately...your perception of the nation moving in the wrong direction.

So you think that having the government taking away the right of air travel from american citizens without even telling them when you do so or why you are doing so and giving them no rights to a hearing over the matter moving in the right direction?

That american citizens due to being under this ban having been trapped half way around the world and needing to countries hop in order to reach a country that have a land border with the US to return home, is moving in the right direction?

nly an idiot would keep dredging up history to bolster a flawed, one-sided, one-dimensional, anti-government argument, without also recognizing that times change

By the way, Bill...do you know if you can actually look up and see if you are on the no-fly list?

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By the way, Bill...do you know if you can actually look up and see if you are on the no-fly list?

No way of doing so you only learn that you are on such a list when you showed up at the airport and try to get on a plane.

Somehow if history would had shown instead the government strongly defending the bill of rights even during periods of stress and something worth the price of maintaining I am damn sure you would be posting examples of this as then history would indeed matter to you.

Yes history is not your friend in how very out of tune with the bill of rights the US government can get in times of any stress.

Don't know what to tell ya, Bill. You are sounding so irrational lately, that having you on the no-fly list seems more reasonable than unfair to me.

But that is just me. Others may disagree.

I just read that in Google. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List

In June 2010, The New York Times reported Yahya Wehelie, a 26 year-old Muslim-American man was being prevented from returning to the United States, and trapped in Cairo. Despite Wehelie's offer to FBI agents to allow them to accompany him in the plane, while shackled, he was not permitted to return. The ACLU has argued that this constitutes banishment.[57]
A U.S. citizen, stranded in Colombia after being placed on the no-fly list as a result of having studied in Yemen, sought to re-enter the U.S. through Mexico but was returned to Colombia by Mexican authorities.[57]
Michael Migliore, a 23-year-old Muslim convert and dual citizen of the United States and Italy, was detained in the United Kingdom after traveling there from the U.S. by train and then cruise ship because he was not permitted to fly. He said that he believes he was placed on the no-fly list because he refused to answer questions about a 2010 Portland car bomb plot without his lawyer present.[58] He was released eight or ten hours later, but authorities confiscated his electronic media items including a cell phone and media player.[59]
Abe Mashal, a 31-year-old Muslim and United States Marine Veteran, found himself on the No Fly List in April 2010 while attempting to board a plane out of Midway Airport. He was questioned by the TSA, FBI and Chicago Police at the airport and was told they had no clue why he was on the No Fly List. Once he arrived at home that day two other FBI agents came to his home and used a Do Not Fly question-and-answer sheet to question him. They informed him they had no idea why he was on the No Fly List. In June 2010 those same two FBI agents summoned Mashal to a local hotel and invited him to a private room. They told him that he was in no trouble and the reason he ended up on the No Fly List was because of possibly sending emails to an American imam they may have been monitoring. They then informed him that if he would go undercover at various local mosques, they could get him off the No Fly List immediately and he would be compensated for such actions. Mashal refused to answer any additional questions without a lawyer present and was told to leave the hotel. Mashal then contacted the ACLU and is now being represented in a class-action lawsuit filed against the TSA, FBI and DHS concerning the legality of the No Fly List and how people end up on it. Mashal feels as if he was blackmailed into becoming an informant by being placed on the No Fly List. Mashal has since appeared on ABC, NBC, PBS and Al Jazeera concerning his inclusion on the No Fly List. He has also written a book about his experience titled "No Spy No Fly." [60]

Some people just don't like da gummint.

I just read that in Google. Thanks!

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Some people just don't like da gummint.

Free people cannot like government unless the freedom to submit to government is freely chosen and a refusal to submit is not punished.