Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

@Frank Apisa,

Shush. Big people are talking here.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Shush. Big people are talking here.

Actually, it is "adult is talking here."

I am the adult.

"Big people." What a laugh!

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@Frank Apisa,

Biggus Dickus.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Shush. Big people are talking here.

Actually, it is "adult is talking here."

I am the adult.

"Big people." What a laugh!

(1) I hope Bulma is not including me as a "big person". I am a sinner saved by grace. I am totally dependent on God.

(2) I am empowered by God. The only alternative is that I am mentally insane to the point of having far greater power than is reasonable for me to have. And this power is growing as the months go by. Plus, there are millions of other Christians who can make similar claims.
No---this power comes from God.

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@NealNealNeal,

It’s interesting that you say that you are a sinner….

Many claim that there is no difference between good and bad and that this is true.They could equally claim that there is a difference between good and bad and this is true.

As it can’t be proved one way or the other then…quite frankly …who cares.

The question must be….if there is a difference then what is that difference and is that difference PERFECTION or IMPERFECTION?

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

It’s interesting that you say that you are a sinner….

Many claim that there is no difference between good and bad and that this is true.They could equally claim that there is a difference between good and bad and this is true.

As it can’t be proved one way or the other then…quite frankly …who cares.

The question must be….if there is a difference then what is that difference and is that difference PERFECTION or IMPERFECTION?

Good and bad must be defined by God.
Nazi Germany was "good" in the minds of many Germans living at that time. Society can not be the ultimate judge of what is good and bad.
Because of Jesus' death and resurrection Christians are considered to be perfect (saved) in God's eyes. In addition we are being made perfect (the sanctification process). Finally, we will one day be perfect (glorification).
It is all in the hands of God.

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@NealNealNeal,

That’s interesting what you say….the Christian God clearly doesn’t define the difference between good and bad but instead bridges the gap by defining absolute rules that must be kept fully to ensure that a PERFECTION is maintained.….10 of them…..Clearly, you have not kept these rules perfectly hence why you consider yourself a sinner…or IMPERFECT….is that correct?

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@Jasper10,

With all due respect…you are no better off then than the person who hasn’t kept the rules perfectly but who couldn’t care less whether God exists or not.

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@Jasper10,

These Christian rules must therefore point to something else.

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@Frank Apisa,

Yes, yes, I know. You're a real boy.

https://img1.grunge.com/img/uploads/2017/02/Pinocchio.jpg

But the rest of us are having an interesting discussion and you're not invited until you grow up.

Adulthood has nothing to do with age. It has to do with spiritual maturity and discernment. You aren't there yet.

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@NealNealNeal,

We are all sinners saved by grace. This is fine. I'd include everyone in the category (even the person I just shooed out, once he drops the attitude) of those who are sinners, but who God nonetheless loves.

I was listening to a sermon once where the minister basically suggested that insanity was when you go down a false path, embracing ideas other than the logical conclusion , that is, you believe crazy ideas instead of in Jesus. When you accept that in this universe, God is able to do anything, you stop being insane.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Yes, yes, I know. You're a real boy.

But the rest of us are having an interesting discussion and you're not invited until you grow up.

Adulthood has nothing to do with age. It has to do with spiritual maturity and discernment. You aren't there yet.

You do not know how to post pictures...and you do not yet realize that you do not get to decide who participates in a thread.

Put me on IGNORE if you are having trouble with me calling your attention to the fact that most of your conversation revolves around blind guesses you are making about the REALITY of existence.

I have no problem with you supposing making blind guesses are what makes you an adult. In fact, I kinda enjoy it. I know I laugh at it, so I must be enjoying it.

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@bulmabriefs144,

Some people hang on to out of date philosophy…..it’s not about blind guesses one way or the other ….it’s about different output possibilities….it doesn’t matter how much you tell certain individuals …they still don’t get it.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

That’s interesting what you say….the Christian God clearly doesn’t define the difference between good and bad but instead bridges the gap by defining absolute rules that must be kept fully to ensure that a PERFECTION is maintained.….10 of them…..Clearly, you have not kept these rules perfectly hence why you consider yourself a sinner…or IMPERFECT….is that correct?

Yes. However there are 613 commandments, not just 10. (By the way the rabbis tried to define these commandments, which led to thousands of specific rules that people had to follow. Today, these rules are written down in a "book" called theTalmud.).
Only God is holy. All people who have ever lived (except Jesus) have sinned. Jesus saved us from our sins. All we need to do is accept Him as our Lord and Savior.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

With all due respect…you are no better off then than the person who hasn’t kept the rules perfectly but who couldn’t care less whether God exists or not.

Jasper---please take away the word "off" from "better off".
Christians are far better off than other people
This is because God has " blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies". It is All because of God.
Are Christians better than other people? No, No, No.

Now what about "more moral"? That is another subject.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

We are all sinners saved by grace. This is fine. I'd include everyone in the category (even the person I just shooed out, once he drops the attitude) of those who are sinners, but who God nonetheless loves.

I was listening to a sermon once where the minister basically suggested that insanity was when you go down a false path, embracing ideas other than the logical conclusion , that is, you believe crazy ideas instead of in Jesus. When you accept that in this universe, God is able to do anything, you stop being insane.

If someone rejects the existence of God (or in Frank's case chooses to make no decision about God), then the most decent decision is secular humanism with its own system of morals.
There are a lot of negative results that occur. However, it is better than secular humanism with no moral values.
Thank God that American Catholics are not forced to go through liturgy in Latin. How can they possibly understand what it signifies?

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@Frank Apisa,

You can't blame him Frank, imagine how many times he's heard "Shush. Big people are talking here" growing up and well into his thirties?

It's sort of a "Polly wants a cracker!", automatic response with him.

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@NealNealNeal,

Some people say that my logic is wrong because I utilise all 4 off logic output possibilities rather than just the 2 off logic output possibilities of 0,1 and 1,0 or good is bad and bad is good.I disagree with them clearly.

I agree with you that Christians are not better than other people.

If good is bad and bad is good logic is adopted then there is a RULES output requirement or society would fall apart.

If good is good and bad is bad then there is a RULES output requirement or society would fall apart.

The common denominator here is a definite need for RULES in both scenarios which is interesting.

The Christian claim is that RULES have always been in place because there is a difference between good and bad even though this difference is based upon an assumption.

The non Christian claim is that RULES haven’t always been in place because there isn’t a difference between good and bad even though this non difference is based upon an assumption.

Just picking up on the Christian claim again… I stand by my statement that the Christian is no better off than the non Christian if there is a difference between good and bad and that difference is defined by a RULES output.

As I see it, neither the Christian or the Non Christian can keep the Christian rules perfectly and so both would come before a judge just as we see in society when man doesn’t keep the non Christian rules perfectly.

Therefore, in what way is the Christian better off than the non Christian as they both would have to stand before a RULE judge?

That is why I say the Christian rules must point to something else.

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@Jasper10,

People who call themselves Christians are among the most hateful, judgemental and cruellest people on the planet.

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@izzythepush,

Maybe you are getting confused with people who genuinely think they are christians but who in fact aren’t? Who knows…? …maybe this is what Matthew 7: 21-23 means in the Christian bible?

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