How is this definition of "belief"?

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Name three...or stop the nonsense.

Stop the insulting / denigrating / condescending BS. That only proves how insecure you feel about yourself and your own ideas.

Only the first four I can think of:
1. you believe the world exists and your own senses can tell you something relevant and somewhat trustworthy about the world - in other words you believe you don't live in 'the Matrix', and that's quite obvious because if you thought you lived in the Matrix, you wouldn't post here or buy groceries for your aunties, you would try to wake up from the Matrix and join Neo

2. you believe you can totally and thoroughly explore your own mind and conclude as a result of this thorough exploration: "I know for a fact that there ain't anymore beliefs in me than bananas in my shoes"
3. You believe beliefs are bad bad bad
4. and this I am less sure of, but from what I can see, you believe you are entitled to treat believers like **** because you're so much smarter and lucid than they are

1 is probably true and a very useful belief to have, but it can't be proven empirically since it is a required belief for any experience-based learning. 2, 3 and 4 are just some of your delusions.

1. you believe the world exists and your own senses can tell you something relevant and somewhat trustworthy about the world - in other words you believe you don't live in 'the Matrix', and that's quite obvious because if you thought you lived in the Matrix, you wouldn't post here or buy groceries for your aunties, you would try to wake up from the Matrix and join Neo

2. you believe you can totally and thoroughly explore your own mind and conclude as a result of this thorough exploration: "I know for a fact that there ain't anymore beliefs in me than bananas in my shoes"

2. You believe beliefs are bad bad bad

3. and this I am less sure of, but from what I can see, you believe you are entitled to treat believers like **** because you're so much smarter and lucid than they are

Thanks for the laugh, Frank... You might wish to know that you come across as terribly insecure. Hence your need for cheap jibes at other posters. Stick to buying your aunties groceries and checking whether there are bananas in your shoes. That's what you do best.

I wonder if Frank believes he's alive and makes decisions every day?

igm wrote:

No joe, you cannot tell me what I meant; especially if my interpretation is valid and can be reasonably derived from that quote... which it can. Therefore the rest of your post given my justification of the meaning - which only I can know and you cannot - does not follow.

If you were actually trying to communicate with me, then I most assuredly can tell you what you meant. I can also tell you that you're attempting -- very badly, I might add -- to cover your tracks here and deny something that you clearly said. Pretty juvenile, really, but there you are.

igm wrote:

How does using the beliefs of others in order to communicate using language mean that I must want to be a complete hypocrite? Again, it doesn't have to be the case... and it isn't.

You want to use concepts that you don't accept in order to say something that you don't mean. That's rather hypocritical, if you ask me. But then only I know what I mean and you don't, so you have no basis for telling me I'm wrong.

stay out of the deep end unless you can really swim.

I wasn't trying to communicate with you.. you decided to intercept a post that was made to someone else. Insults don't make a case. Your interpretation of what I meant to a third party does not make your case... and is mistaken.

I accept others' beliefs (concepts as you are now defining them) as a means of communication; that communication could be out of love and compassion or friendship, motivation counts, and does not, even if that were not the case, make me a hypocrite... and as I said earlier insults don't help your case it only means that those who agreed with you from the outset still do... it shouldn't sway a neutral observer... and if it does... then that's fine by me.

I see. So what's motivating you when you attempt to communicate with me? Love? Compassion? Friendship?

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stay out of the deep end unless you can really swim.

Oh I can swim alright. Just because you can't follow me doesn't mean I'm not there, two miles ahead of you in the race.

joefromchicago wrote:

I see. So what's motivating you when you attempt to communicate with me? Love? Compassion? Friendship?

Always joe... always... probably the last one

Yup, you sound like someone special. And way, way ahead.

igm wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:

I see. So what's motivating you when you attempt to communicate with me? Love? Compassion? Friendship?

Always joe... always... probably the last one

Are you using "friendship" to mean what I mean when I use the word "friendship," or are you using it to mean what you mean when you use that word? If it's the former, how do you know you're using "friendship" the same way I'm using it? And if it's the latter, how can I know what you mean when you use the word "friendship?"

friend·ship
/ˈfrendˌSHip/
Noun
The emotions or conduct of friends; the state of being friends.
A relationship between friends.
Synonyms
amity - fellowship - companionship - comradeship

...because one might easily regard emotion as being among the determinants of an individual's belief.

"Your" problem. Most of us understand the definition of "friendship."

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friend·ship
/ˈfrendˌSHip/
Noun
The emotions or conduct of friends; the state of being friends.
A relationship between friends.
Synonyms
amity - fellowship - companionship - comradeship