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For a scientist? Why not "in a scientist"?

 
 
Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 10:51 am
That is, the objection "cuts... sharply in a scientist."

Context:

How Can a Rational Person Believe in Miracles?

Finally, consider an objection to belief that cuts particularly sharply for a scientist. How can miracles be reconciled to a scientific worldview?
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 03:32 pm
@oristarA,
Ori, "in" is ok but "for" is more collo
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 03:50 pm
@dalehileman,
I don't like either word. If I had to choose, "for" makes a bit more sense (and in doesn't make sense at all).

Isn't the idiom that is "cuts deep for a scientist"?
dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 04:09 pm
@maxdancona,
Don't see it here Max

http://www.google.ca/#q=cuts+deep+for+a+scientist&hl=en&ei=UweUUdqBNOfwiwLB6YAY&sqi=2&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=4e28069bf46d5fce&biw=1194&bih=678
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2013 04:39 pm
@dalehileman,
That's a completely different context. That's a completely different meaning. That's a completely different part of speech.

In the examples you link to, "cuts" is a noun (as in "deep cuts in science").

In the example that Oristar gives, "cuts" is being used as a verb.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 02:58 am

"For" is good here, "in" is no good.

example

For me, the right choice of word is most important.
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 05:20 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


"For" is good here, "in" is no good.

example

For me, the right choice of word is most important.


Of course your example can be very well understood.
I just don't know what the word cut means in the opening post.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 06:29 am
@oristarA,
"Cuts" here means "hurts" although the injury is more emotional than physical.

"Her rejection of my affection cut me deeply."
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 08:14 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

"Cuts" here means "hurts" although the injury is more emotional than physical.

"Her rejection of my affection cut me deeply."


Thank you!
Yes, again, your example is very easy to understand. But in the context of the opening post, it seems different:

Quote:

How Can a Rational Person Believe in Miracles?

Finally, consider an objection to belief that cuts particularly sharply for a scientist. How can miracles be reconciled to a scientific worldview?


At first sight, it appears to say that "an objection against belief would hurt deeply a scientist". But when you pay attention to its title "How Can a Rational Person Believe in Miracles?" you would know that the belief is "believing in miracles." Scientists usually disbelieve any miracles (which are often deciphered by scientists with scientific laws), so an objection to such a belief would help a scientist, not cut.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 08:19 am
@oristarA,
I read this that the "objection to belief" is the question that follows "How can miracles be reconciled to a scientific worldview".

The dilemma is that if there are miracles that can't be explained by science, doesn't that mess things up. (I assume the writer clarifies this point in the paragraph that follows).

I am a scientist. When I saw my daughter born, I certainly considered it a miracle far beyond science.
McTag
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 08:52 am
@oristarA,

Quote:
Yes, again, your example is very easy to understand. But in the context of the opening post, it seems different:

Finally, consider an objection to belief that cuts particularly sharply for a scientist. How can miracles be reconciled to a scientific worldview?


I am limiting my comments to the language, and the use of language.

"Cuts" and "sharply" go together. It is not an everyday phrase, used metaphorically like that, although the meaning is clear.
The meaning of the argument, i.e. how does a modern scientist who happens to be a christian, reconcile traditional christian orthodoxy with modern scientific belief, I leave to others.
Answer, with extreme difficulty. It "cuts sharply".
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2013 09:49 am
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

-- G. Marx.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 12:07 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

-- G. Marx.


Well, failed to understand Setanta's quote.
What does "outside of a dog" mean? Take it alongside "inside of a dog" you get an impression that "a dog"/a man's heart is too dark?
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 12:11 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I read this that the "objection to belief" is the question that follows "How can miracles be reconciled to a scientific worldview".

The dilemma is that if there are miracles that can't be explained by science, doesn't that mess things up. (I assume the writer clarifies this point in the paragraph that follows).

I am a scientist. When I saw my daughter born, I certainly considered it a miracle far beyond science.



I've read your reply for several times and am still confused.
Sorry no clue to the question.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 12:13 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
Yes, again, your example is very easy to understand. But in the context of the opening post, it seems different:

Finally, consider an objection to belief that cuts particularly sharply for a scientist. How can miracles be reconciled to a scientific worldview?


I am limiting my comments to the language, and the use of language.

"Cuts" and "sharply" go together. It is not an everyday phrase, used metaphorically like that, although the meaning is clear.
The meaning of the argument, i.e. how does a modern scientist who happens to be a christian, reconcile traditional christian orthodoxy with modern scientific belief, I leave to others.
Answer, with extreme difficulty. It "cuts sharply".



I feel vaguely that I've got something inspiring.
Let's wait and see.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 05:44 am
@oristarA,

Quote:
Well, failed to understand Setanta's quote.
What does "outside of a dog" mean? Take it alongside "inside of a dog" you get an impression that "a dog"/a man's heart is too dark?


It's simpler than that. Groucho Marx was a comedian and satirist.

"Outside of a dog" has two meanings (a so-called double entendre) and here those are
1) with the exception of a dog
2) the literal meaning, outside the dog's body.

So the end of the joke (the "punch line") asks you to imagine reading a book inside the dog, where it's too dark.

Barry Crier said that explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog... no-one laughs, and the frog dies. Smile
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 05:47 am
@oristarA,

Quote:
I've read your reply (for) several times and am still confused.
Sorry no clue to the question.


Some of our contributors sometimes lose sight of the fact that they are writing for a person who is not a native speaker, and who is trying to extend his knowledge of the language.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 08:33 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
Well, failed to understand Setanta's quote.
What does "outside of a dog" mean? Take it alongside "inside of a dog" you get an impression that "a dog"/a man's heart is too dark?


It's simpler than that. Groucho Marx was a comedian and satirist.

"Outside of a dog" has two meanings (a so-called double entendre) and here those are
1) with the exception of a dog
2) the literal meaning, outside the dog's body.

So the end of the joke (the "punch line") asks you to imagine reading a book inside the dog, where it's too dark.

Barry Crier said that explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog... no-one laughs, and the frog dies. Smile


Excellent!
At least I've laughed, though not very loudly. The joke can be used as a weapon against those who don't like to read books.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 09:56 am
@ McTag

All in all,

Excellent!
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2013 02:55 pm
@oristarA,
Quote:
How can miracles be reconciled to a scientific worldview?
The apodictical existential pantheist answers that the Universe, It, Her, though perfectly natural and inevitable in its workings, can nonetheless be properly described as a miracle
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