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Is this usage common - "the presumption of innocence before guilt being proved"?

 
 
Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 06:43 am
Google shows only one hit for "the presumption of innocence before guilt being proved."
I don't understand.
What expression form are you native speakers used to use?

"the concept of innocence before being proved guilty"?

540 hits for this. No common at all.

Well, 17,700 hits for "innocent before being proved guilty."

Not very common.
 
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 07:00 am
@oristarA,
try substituting proven for proved in your searches
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maxdancona
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 07:22 am
@oristarA,
I can't answer this question unless I see more context.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is the most common form (in my opinion).
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 07:55 am
Ori!!

You should know better than to throw out phrases and ask for an interpretation.

All this depends on HOW these phrases are used in the sentence. We need context!!

One possibility may be:
the presumption of "innocence before guilt" being proved.


InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 09:08 am
@PUNKEY,
Now proceed to rap Ori's knuckles.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 09:12 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I can't answer this question unless I see more context.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is the most common form (in my opinion).



Yeah! 4,680,000 hits for this!

Thank you all.
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 03:24 pm
@oristarA,

Quote:
"Innocent until proven guilty" is the most common form
Yeah! 4,680,000 hits for this!


Okay, but it contains an error. Legally (in this country) anyone accused of a crime is entitled to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
So "innocent until proven guilty" is a misleading phrase.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 04:09 pm
@McTag,
Not around here, the presumption part is used but rarely.

Anyone arrested or accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty.

Joe(Now take these cuffs off)Nation
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 04:36 pm
@McTag,
That is really nitpicking, McTag. Everyone knows what "innocent until proven guilty" means (as long as it doesn't apply to Muslims or Mexican immigrants).

oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 05:56 pm
I think McTag has put it in a scholar'sway.

And Joe follows the principle of pragmatism.

That is British vs. American - Theoretical vs. Proctical. As I've always said.
oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 05:58 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

That is really nitpicking, McTag. Everyone knows what "innocent until proven guilty" means (as long as it doesn't apply to Muslims or Mexican immigrants).



Going academic is to be nitpicking, of course.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 07:43 am
@oristarA,

Quote:
That is British vs. American - Theoretical vs. Practical. As I've always said.


In a nutshell, sir.

We've got the brains, and they, the brawn.

Wink
oristarA
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 08:54 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
That is British vs. American - Theoretical vs. Practical. As I've always said.


In a nutshell, sir.

We've got the brains, and they, the brawn.

Wink


Perfect!

Look forward for Joe's shining subtle reply.
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