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(dead) set against something/against doing something

 
 
WBYeats
 
Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 12:49 am
If you are (dead) set against something/against doing something, you are strongly opposed to something;

eg Why are you so dead set against the idea?

But a text: The OED remarks that the idiom is 'now rare in literary use'; that is owing to the dead set that has been made at it.

is really baffling; SET is a noun here, but after browsing through Longman and Macmillan, I still can't understand the meaning conveyed here; can you explain it to me? Thank you very much.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 08:00 am
Used this way, "dead set" is a linking verb or referred adjective.

He / was \dead set

WBYeats
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 08:35 am
@PUNKEY,
Thanks.

Do you mean those who are dead set?
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 10:17 am
@WBYeats,
WBYeats wrote:
. . .SET is a noun here. . .


"Set" is used here as a verb in the sense of "fixed firmly or in an immobile manner."

"Dead" is used as an adverb meaning "absolutely."
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 07:38 pm
I'd say" dead set" is an idiom
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Tue 7 May, 2013 08:39 pm
@InfraBlue,
THanks.

Then what has been MADE?
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 06:51 am
makes no sense; ignore it.
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contrex
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 11:26 am
@WBYeats,
WBYeats wrote:

THanks.

Then what has been MADE?


A dead set. Do try to keep up.

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contrex
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 11:39 am
The OP would be well advised to discard the very obsolete Fowler. That book belongs in the dustbin. It is ancient.

The quoted text comes from Fowler, in the entry for "expect".

Everybody so far has got the wrong sense of "dead set". The phrase has 2 distinct uses, the one shown is the SECOND of these:

1. Adjectival - firmly fixed, determined, not likely to change an opinion or plan. (a person is dead set on or against something)

I am dead set against going on holiday to Greece this year; he is dead set on learning to fly.

2. Noun - a determined and targeted attack (one makes a dead set against or at something) (This is rather obsolete, like the other phrase from Fowler the OP asked about)

Mr Wood and Mr Stafford made a dead set against the Commissioner of Customs

You wouldn't like it, I know, if the Bucks papers made a dead set against you & Father for being Jewish, & gave twisted motives for everything you did

One of these Hooligan crowds lately made a dead set against poor John

The Melbourne press made a dead set against me because, I am told on all sides, I am an American and Australia is frightfully jealous of Americans

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contrex
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 11:54 am
To WBYeats: please start saying where you get these phrases from, or you risk annoying the people who could help you.
WBYeats
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 07:17 pm
@contrex,
Sorry and thanks.

Your explanation is excellent.

By the way, I understand OP means thread starter, but what does OP stand for?
contrex
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 10:56 am
@WBYeats,
WBYeats wrote:

what does OP stand for?


Original Poster
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2013 05:38 pm
@contrex,
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The OP would be well advised to discard the very obsolete Fowler. That book belongs in the dustbin. It is ancient.


Possibly your best advice ever, C. And yet, you are sometimes very Fowlerian in nature.
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