RABEL222
 
  1  
Reply Fri 24 May, 2013 11:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Thank you. You just proved my point.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sat 25 May, 2013 12:08 am
@RABEL222,
U are simply a waste.
0 Replies
 
komr98
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2013 11:27 am
@OmSigDAVID,
But guns sure do make it easier
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2013 11:45 am
@komr98,
komr98 wrote:
But guns sure do make it easier
Thay make it easier to defend yourself
from predatory violence.

In 2005, after abdominal surgery, I was so enfeebled
as not to be able to walk. When I eventually left the hospital,
I thawt (approaching the parking lot) that I better not
get into any fights. A butterfly cud have defeated me.

The 2nd Amendment disables government
from interfering in a citizen 's possession of defensive personal weapons.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2013 11:55 am
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
Anyone has a natural right
to end his human life, at a time of his choice.
BillRM wrote:
I agree with you when to come to rational adult humans
but not when it come to people with mental illnesses that result
in brief and passing self destructive impulses or for people
who had not as yet reach the age of reason
If u claim that u or anyone
has authority to control them,
then please indicate HOW that authority was acquired ??
Was it by consent of the governed ?
I don't think it was.





David
0 Replies
 
parados
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2013 12:13 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:



The 2nd Amendment disables government
from interfering in a citizen 's possession of defensive personal weapons.





David

Luckily for you the 1st Amendment protects your ability to say stupid things about what is in the Constitution.
komr98
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2013 12:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
The 2nd Amendment disables government
from interfering in a citizen 's possession of defensive personal weapons


I'm not disputing what the 2nd amendment states. However, when that amendment was added to the constitution, guns were far less technologically advanced and thus, far less dangerous.

Quote:
Thay make it easier to defend yourself


That's true. But they also make it easier for criminals and crazies to get them and thus, makes it easier for you to feel the need to defend yourself. But, let me just say this; I'm not opposed to someone owning a gun purely for self-defense purposes. However, I don't really see the point of hunting.. If you like the sport, then go to a firing range. But even if you do have a gun just for hunting and/or self-defense, I think the gun should be locked at home and far out of the reach of children (or any others who don't know how to properly use a firearm).
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2013 04:40 pm
@komr98,
DAVID wrote:
The 2nd Amendment disables government
from interfering in a citizen 's possession of defensive personal weapons
komr98 wrote:
I'm not disputing what the 2nd amendment states.
However, when that amendment was added to the constitution,
guns were far less technologically advanced and thus, far less dangerous.
Does that mean that Freedom of Speech
or Freedom of the Press do not apply to citizens on TV, radio
or those journalists who choose to use ELECTRIC printing presses ?
(The USSC took cognizance of that in the HELLER case.)
Does that mean that voters who have used modern voting machines
have no right to have their votes counted ?????????





DAVID wrote:
Thay make it easier to defend yourself
komr98 wrote:
That's true. But they also make it easier for criminals and crazies to get them
and thus, makes it easier for you to feel the need to defend yourself.
Do u mean that criminals will not make their own guns
(as thay were made by hand, before the advent of electric tools?)
or that there is a reason that thay will not resort to the Black Market,
the same as thay never buy marijuana, nor cocaine,
and as no one EVER bought alcohol in Speak Easys in Prohibition of the 192Os ??)
Because the citizens r so obsessively dedicated to doing
what the government wants them to do ????




komr98 wrote:
But, let me just say this; I'm not opposed to someone owning a gun purely for self-defense purposes.
Thank u.




komr98 wrote:
However, I don't really see the point of hunting..
Some folks like to eat.




komr98 wrote:
If you like the sport, then go to a firing range.
Wait for a deer to wonder by ?




komr98 wrote:

But even if you do have a gun just for hunting and/or self-defense,
I think the gun should be locked at home
The burglars of America
will LOVE U!!!




komr98 wrote:
and far out of the reach of children
(or any others who don't know how to properly use a firearm).
Yeah; there are too many children !

What right do thay have to live??
Screw them !! (The equal protection of the law
requirements of the Constitution shoud not be taken seriously.
Surely the Founders did not mean that mere children
have a right to defend themselves from predatory animals
nor from criminals who only wanna rob them, rape them or kill them.)



(Did u chance to see 13 year old pistol champion Dylan Holsey
on American Guns?? He is very, very good with his revolvers; formidable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X64xRTdXOAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrWui4qSM_E
If I were a violent criminal (or a hostile dog), I 'd not want to go up against HIM!!!)


I began my gun collection at age 8.
Possession of my first gun, a .38 revolver, invested me with a sense of serenity, calm,
security & peace of mind, tho I did not actually need to use a
a defensive gun for several more decades.

I advocate children being taught defensive gunnery tactics
for accuracy, competent defense and safety at the earliest possible age,
the same as schools teach swimming; (my high school 'd not
let us graduate without learning to swim).

I believe that to the maximum possible extent (including voting),
children shud be treated with the same respect as anyone else.
I wanted that when I was a kid.
I have applied that etiquette in their favor, as an adult.
When I was a practicing trial attorney in New York,
I accorded children the same courtesy as anyone else.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2013 05:08 pm
@parados,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The 2nd Amendment disables government
from interfering in a citizen 's possession of defensive personal weapons.





David
parados wrote:
Luckily for you the 1st Amendment protects your ability to say stupid things about what is in the Constitution.

The best u can do in your quest against liberty
is to hurl acrimony, like a tantrum,
rather than address my respect for personal freedom, on its MERITS.





David
komr98
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 May, 2013 11:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Does that mean that Freedom of Speech
or Freedom of the Press do not apply to citizens on TV, radio
or those journalists who choose to use ELECTRIC printing presses ?


The TV and radio have the ability to report the news... not to kill thousands of people (if the owner so pleases).

I like the points you made about criminals getting guns whether there are restrictions or not, it definetley made me think Smile However, making a gun is much harder than purchasing one. But I understand the points you made and they definetley stand to reason.

Quote:
komr98 wrote:
However, I don't really see the point of hunting..
Some folks like to eat.


Go to the grocery store!!! Hunting is just killing animals unnecessarily.

Quote:
Wait for a deer to wonder by ?


No. Shoot at non-living targets... That's what a firing range is for... You'll still be able to practice your shot and enjoy the adrenaline of firing a gun.

Quote:
The burglars of America
will LOVE U!!!


Whe I said to lock guns, I simply meant to lock them so someone doesn't accidentally fire it. Accidents happen all the time but they can be avoided easily if guns are locked. Obviously you'd UNlock it when you need to use it.

Quote:
Yeah; there are too many children !


I didn't say that at all.... I said to keep guns out of the reach of children or others who don't know how to fire a weapon. If those children do know how to properly and safely handle a firearm then there shouldn't be a problem.

Quote:
What right do thay have to live??

All the right!
I don't know where you got the idea that I hate children and don't think they should have any rights...
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Thu 30 May, 2013 04:27 pm
@komr98,
Quote:
Does that mean that Freedom of Speech
or Freedom of the Press do not apply to citizens on TV, radio
or those journalists who choose to use ELECTRIC printing presses ?
komr98 wrote:
The TV and radio have the ability to report the news...
not to kill thousands of people (if the owner so pleases).
Is THAT the criterion of Constitutional validity???
My point is that government has NO AUTHORITY to exceed its Constitutional grant of jurisdiction.
Beyond that limit, government has no more authority than a schoolyard bully.





David
komr98
 
  2  
Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 06:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
So you don't think restrictions should be made even though guns have become far more deadly?
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 09:49 pm
@komr98,
komr98 wrote:
So you don't think restrictions
should be made even though guns have become far more deadly?
YES; I have been trying to bring out the point
that government shud NOT be allowed to USURP authority, at all, in any case, whatsoever!!!
Additionally, if government commits that outrage,
then any such law is void.

From your post, I suspect that u did not
get the idea.





David
RABEL222
 
  2  
Reply Fri 31 May, 2013 11:39 pm
@komr98,
Just in case you havent got it yet let me point out that David, who claims to be a lawyer, says even if the Supreme Court puts forth rules on the second amendment they will be unconstitutional in Davids opinion. At which point he will take up his weapon and join NRA's revolution.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 03:59 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Just in case you havent got it yet let me point out that David, who claims to be a lawyer,
says even if the Supreme Court puts forth rules on the second amendment they will be unconstitutional in Davids opinion.
At which point he will take up his weapon and join NRA's revolution.
Those allegations mis-represent me; I have never discussed that.

Note also that the USSC is on my side,
the side of historical accuracy and of personal liberty of self defense.





David
0 Replies
 
BillRM
 
  2  
Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 07:44 am
@komr98,
Quote:
Do you don't think restrictions should be made even though guns have become far more deadly?


If people of like mind can convicted the population to amended the constitution that is one thing but to just wave a hand in the air and declared we are not going to follow it for whatever reason open the nation to a dictatorship as if you can ignore one part you can ignore any or all parts of the constitution.

parados
 
  1  
Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 07:57 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
The best u can do in your quest against liberty
is to hurl acrimony, like a tantrum,
rather than address my respect for personal freedom, on its MERITS.

Lucky for you, your inability to understand sarcasm isn't unconstitutional.
0 Replies
 
parados
 
  1  
Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 08:02 am
@BillRM,
Quote:

If people of like mind can convicted the population to amended the constitution that is one thing but to just wave a hand in the air and declared we are not going to follow it for whatever reason open the nation to a dictatorship as if you can ignore one part you can ignore any or all parts of the constitution.

That is something that all those that claim the 2nd amendment gives them absolute rights should consider. Claiming there can be no restrictions on the right to own a gun would invalidate the rest of the US Constitution.

The Constitution has always been about balancing the rights. Where that balance point is is up for discussion. Claiming there is no restriction on gun ownership denies all other rights and powers granted in the Constitution.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 12:28 pm
@parados,
Quote:
If people of like mind can convicted the population to amended the constitution that is one thing but to just wave a hand in the air and declared we are not going to follow it for whatever reason open the nation to a dictatorship as if you can ignore one part you can ignore any or all parts of the constitution.
parados wrote:
That is something that all those that claim the 2nd amendment gives them absolute rights should consider.
Claiming there can be no restrictions on the right to own a gun
would invalidate the rest of the US Constitution.
That is irrational; it makes no sense.



parados wrote:
The Constitution has always been about balancing the rights.
I don't think so; I have an un-limited right
to stay home from Church, if I wanna.
I can boycott the NY Times, if I wanna, or I can buy it n read it, at my option.
I don't have to vote, if I don't wanna; WHAT "balancing" is necessary???
Maybe u think I have to compromise (for "balancing")
so that I 've gotta attend Church at least 2 out of 4 Sundays ??
or I MUST read the newspaper at least on alternate days?? I don't think so.



parados wrote:
Where that balance point is is up for discussion.
Claiming there is no restriction on gun ownership
denies all other rights and powers granted in the Constitution.
Nonsense; it merely means that government was never granted that jurisdiction
the same as it cannot select a religion for me, against my will.





David
parados
 
  1  
Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 07:57 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Balancing rights is very important for the Constitution. Your right to own a gun and use it to rob someone doesn't supersede the rights of the other person. When rights collide the rights must be balanced. Surely you understand this David.
 

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