Fellow Bostonians: How many of us wished we had an assault weapon last night?

@Finn dAbuzz,

There sure are a lot of Americans, from the land of free speech, from the land of the great debaters, engaging in this childish "you're a troll, you're a troll, na na na na na".

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@JTT,

And that is our freely expressed opinon.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Actually, yes. If anyone in your household is on the blocked list, the government considers it illegal for any guns to be held in the house by any owner.

Actually bullshit unless you can quote a law to that effect.

If you have someone in your home that is not allowed to own or have access to a gun such as a felon it is wise to have the guns locked up so he does not have access to them so he will not get charge with having access to guns as a felon but you sure the hell do not loss your rights to own firearms!!!!!!!!!!

It is likely due to Obama "interpreting" the law in a way that defies reality. You'd be surprised the lengths that Freedom Haters will go in their efforts to violate people's rights.

Note this line from an article about an Iraq war vet who was stripped of his rights because he receives disability payments from the government:

"The ATF has told the Irelans that they could go to jail if a firearm is found in their home."

http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_id=322205

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

By the way oralloy it is my understanding that there is a big loop hole in federal guns laws at least as pre-1897 guns are not consider firearms however I had not done research on the subject

I don't know the exact cutoff, but most of the old black powder guns are exempt.

I'm not sure it is really a loophole though.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Last I heard, the estimate of more than 100,000 crimes prevented every year was an acknowledged undercount.

Please provide your source.

I was referring to the estimate of 108,000 by the National Crime Victimization Survey in 1993.

http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Why are you bothering to prolong this nonsense, Tak? Bill will keep on posting and posting and posting completely regardless of what anyone says in rebuttal. I don't think he even believes half of what he says. He just absolutely has to get the last word. Arguing with BillRM is just feeding another troll.

Nonsense.

BillRM is telling the truth.

CI is a retard who makes up crude lies to try to cover up the fact that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Neither are trolls.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

There sure are a lot of Americans, from the land of free speech, from the land of the great debaters, engaging in this childish "you're a troll, you're a troll, na na na na na".

Yes. And it seems that almost none of the people who throw the term around so freely actually understand what trolling even is.

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@roger,

An admission of your childish nature, Roger.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

BillRM is telling the truth.

I never said, nor meant to imply, that in this case he isn't. I was just describing his MO which is to get the last word regardless of the truth, In fact, truth has nothing to do with it. It's the sledgehammer method of argument I'm talking about. You yourself are a little bit better in that department, but not by much.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

CI is a retard who makes up crude lies to try to cover up the fact that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

That is an absolute lie. And I would tell you that to your face if you were physically present.

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@Lustig Andrei,

It is a lie. CI doesn't lie.

Merry, however, is another case entirely. He often distorts things so badly that it is the same as lying.

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@Lustig Andrei,

They can call me a liar all they want, but they still haven't shown proof that I have. NONE! Calling anyone a liar without proof just proves they are the liars.

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@oralloy,

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CI is a retard who makes up crude lies to try to cover up the fact that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Just WOW!!! How can you accuse someone of something that you do all the time. You guys really do not have any conception of the meaning of hypocrisy, or you think you're so damn special that it doesn't apply to you.

You lie all the time trying to protect the US war crimes and criminals, the unrelenting terrorism that the US engages in daily, that's DAILY!!

Here's an honest American, Oralloy. His name is Ross Caputi and he knows of the evil and sordid past that is the US. He speaks of Fallujah but he speaks to much more than Fallujah.

You can read it all at,

http://able2know.org/topic/212979-1#post-5309999

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Travis and Brad are both victims and perpetrators. They were killed and they killed others because of a political agenda in which they were just pawns. They were the iron fist of American empire, and an expendable loss in the eyes of their leaders.

I do not see any contradiction in feeling sympathy for the dead US Marines and soldiers and at the same time feeling sympathy for the Fallujans who fell to their guns. The contradiction lies in believing that we were liberators, when in fact we oppressed the freedoms and wishes of Fallujans. The contradiction lies in believing that we were heroes, when the definition of "hero" bares no relation to our actions in Fallujah.

What we did to Fallujah cannot be undone, and I see no point in attacking the people in my former unit. What I want to attack are the lies and false beliefs. I want to destroy the prejudices that prevented us from putting ourselves in the other's shoes and asking ourselves what we would have done if a foreign army invaded our country and laid siege to our city.

I understand the psychology that causes the aggressors to blame their victims. I understand the justifications and defence mechanisms. I understand the emotional urge to want to hate the people who killed someone dear to you. But to describe the psychology that preserves such false beliefs is not to ignore the objective moral truth that no attacker can ever justly blame their victims for defending themselves.

The same distorted morality has been used to justify attacks against the native Americans, the Vietnamese, El Salvadorans, and the Afghans. It is the same story over and over again. These people have been dehumanised, their God-given right to self-defence has been delegitimised, their resistance has been reframed as terrorism, and US soldiers have been sent to kill them.

History has preserved these lies, normalised them, and socialised them into our culture: so much so that legitimate resistance against US aggression is incomprehensible to most, and to even raise this question is seen as un-American.

History has defined the US veteran as a hero, and in doing so it has automatically defined anyone who fights against him as the bad guy. It has reversed the roles of aggressor and defender, moralised the immoral, and shaped our societies' present understanding of war.

I cannot imagine a more necessary step towards justice than to put an end to these lies, and achieve some moral clarity on this issue. I see no issue more important than to clearly understand the difference between aggression and self-defence, and to support legitimate struggles. I cannot hate, blame, begrudge, or resent Fallujans for fighting back against us. I am sincerely sorry for the role I played in the second siege of Fallujah, and I hope that some day not just Fallujans but all Iraqis will win their struggle.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

oralloy wrote:
CI is a retard who makes up crude lies to try to cover up the fact that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

That is an absolute lie. And I would tell you that to your face if you were physically present.

No, that is the truth. CI is so stupid he can't understand even basic concepts. All the little retard ever does is spew abuse at anyone who actually does know what they are talking about.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Lustig Andrei wrote:
oralloy wrote:
CI is a retard who makes up crude lies to try to cover up the fact that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

That is an absolute lie. And I would tell you that to your face if you were physically present.

No, that is the truth. CI is so stupid he can't understand even basic concepts. All the little retard ever does is spew abuse at anyone who actually does know what they are talking about.

Y'know, oralloy, your insisting that something is the truth does not make it so. I don't think you understand that simple concept. Just like your tiresome, constant insistence that you never lie does not make that statement necessarily true. Take a logic course sometime.

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@oralloy,

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All the little retard ever does is spew abuse at anyone who actually does know what they are talking about.

And you are trying to suggest that you know what you talk about. Alright, I'll give you that you know about guns.

But I just posted before this one of yours that illustrates that you don't have the foggiest notion about the massive predations, the vicious onslaught of the US upon millions of innocents around the world.

Yet you come right back, and you have the gall to suggest CI doesn't know what he's talking about.

CI is one of the very few A2Kers who has shown any honesty in describing the evil committed by his governments.

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@Lustig Andrei,

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Take a logic course sometime.

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@oralloy,

You wrote,

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No, that is the truth. CI is so stupid he can't understand even basic concepts.

Please cut and paste from any of my post that provides evidence that I don't understand basic concepts?

PLEASE! Show me ONE. I have over 80,000 posts on a2k. Just one, please!

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

CI doesn't lie.

You should see the little retard when he's spewing anti-Semitism. Not to mention all the nonsense he makes up about subjects he is too stupid to understand.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

oralloy wrote:
CI is a retard who makes up crude lies to try to cover up the fact that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Just WOW!!! How can you accuse someone of something that you do all the time.

I don't tend to come across subjects that I am too stupid to understand, like CI does.

I don't start making up nonsense about subjects that I know nothing about, like CI does.

And I certainly don't start spewing abuse at the people who do know what they are talking about, like CI does.

JTT wrote:

You lie all the time trying to protect the US war crimes and criminals, the unrelenting terrorism that the US engages in daily, that's DAILY!!

When I point out that most of these accusations against the US are untrue, that is not a lie.

JTT wrote:

He speaks of Fallujah but he speaks to much more than Fallujah.

The Second Battle of Fallujah was a legitimate military operation against a terrorist stronghold.

I am disappointed that all the nonsensical false charges about our supposed use of "illegal" weapons obscured the widespread use of thermobaric devices in leveling the city. I would have enjoyed reading studies on how the new weapons worked out.

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