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Fellow Bostonians: How many of us wished we had an assault weapon last night?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 04:54 pm
@oralloy,
By the way oralloy it is my understanding that there is a big loop hole in federal guns laws at least as pre-1897 guns are not consider firearms however I had not done research on the subject
RABEL222
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 06:13 pm
@Ceili,
Remember the tower shooting in Texas. Those sturdy Texas lads took their 30 cal rifles and joined the tower shooter in shooting at each other. The tower shooter had a mental problem. Not sure about all the Texas lads. But the police finally got him even though the Texas lads almost shot the cop who went to the top of the tower rather than cower behind a wall shooting at concrete. I cant help but wonder if some of our gun nuts lived in Texas at the time. How about it lads?
RABEL222
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 06:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I bet you got this garbage off of one of them liberl democratic tv stations. I bet FOX dosent agree with this crap.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 07:15 pm
@RABEL222,
You're a pretty perceptive fellow. Mr. Green
Have a few drinks on me. Drunk Drunk Drunk
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JTT
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 07:22 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Last I heard, the estimate of more than 100,000 crimes prevented every year was an acknowledged undercount.


Please provide your source.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 07:33 pm
@JTT,
Now, that's where he listens to FOX Fuse.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 07:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From Princeton.edu.
Quote:
Scientific American’s gun error
December 22nd, 2012, 10:43pm by Sam Wang


Update: A reader has pointed out that a substantial fraction of gun deaths are suicides (homicide data are here), raising a complication. However, this point is well-established in peer-reviewed literature (PDF): gun ownership increases death rates across the board: suicides, homicides, accidents… For more discussion of the relationship between guns and homicide, see the work of Harvard’s David Hemenway and collaborators (via Adam Gopnik). Also see Mark Duggan, who shows that changes in gun ownership are linked with changes in homicide rate; the relationship is stronger than for other forms of crime, as expected for a causal link.
BillRM
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 08:50 pm
@RABEL222,
Fool the citizens on the ground were suppressing his fire and likely kept him from killings many others until another armed citizen and a police officer got to him.

Love people rewriting history.
BillRM
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 09:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes a person who wish to commit suicide without a gun could not do so by jumping off a building or walking in front of a train/bus or placing a plastic bag over their heads or taking pills or...........

Then you factor in that taking one own life should be a human right for the most part and there is nothing special about using a gun or one of a million others methods and means.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 09:05 pm
@BillRM,
The only one rewriting history here is you! Don't you understand simple statistics? No, you don't, but that figures. Where did you get your education? You've been robbed! LOL
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 09:05 pm
@BillRM,
The only one rewriting history here is you! Don't you understand simple statistics? No, you don't, but that figures. Where did you get your education? You've been robbed! LOL
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BillRM
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 09:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One thing I do understand is there was an armed citizen working with a cop on top of that tower that ended the shooting spree and that suppressing fire such as the citizens on the ground was providing is the correct means of dealing with a sniper.

Off hands my guess is that most of those citizens had military training as they did the correct thing in dealing with a sniper.
JTT
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 09:22 pm
@BillRM,
reductio ad absurdum
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 09:42 pm
@BillRM,
That's not what we are talking about! It's about the impact of more guns in the hands of Americans. More guns means more violence and killings both intentional and accidental.

Wrap that around your brain if that's possible.
BillRM
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 11:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
That's not what we are talking about! It's about the impact of more guns in the hands of Americans. More guns means more violence and killings both intentional and accidental.


More guns then the 300 millions or so that are now in the hands of citizens?

You know more guns then there are adults to own them?

So if there was 600 millions guns instead that would mean more killings in some manner? What kind of relationship are you claiming a linear one?

Footnote we are with our 300 millions firearms at the lowest murder rate in the last 50 years and near the lowest in the last 100 years.

Funny funny people................... Drunk
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BillRM
 
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Sun 21 Apr, 2013 11:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Footnote concerning suicides and guns the list of nations suicide rates and the numbers of guns do not seems to have must of a relationship.

France, Germany, South Korea , Finland, Canada and on and on all have higher suicide rates then the gun happy US.

But facts was never the anti-gun people strong point it would seems.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2013 09:16 am
@BillRM,
Forget other countries; we're talking about the US. Your diversionary tactics is silly; look at the numbers in THIS country. That's what counts.

Explain to us why the numbers in the US is so high?

Why are more soldiers committing suicide after they return from combat in Afghanistan? Why?

These are the issues; not what other countries numbers are. Their culture and almost everything about them are different.

Look at most of the statistics on a) population, b) income distribution, c) taxation, d) universal health care, e) educational accomplishment in math and science, and f) happiness.

Just on education.
Quote:
How did the U.S. do?

Students in the United States performed near the middle of the pack. On average 16 other industrialized countries scored above the United States in science, and 23 scored above us in math. The reading scores for the United States had to be tossed due to a printing error.

Experts noted that the United States' scores remained about the same in math between 2003 and 2006, the two most recent years the test — the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) — was given. Meanwhile, many other nations, Estonia and Poland being two, improved their scores and moved past the U.S.


On happiness, we're not even in the top 50.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2013 10:24 am
@cicerone imposter,
Here are the stats of gun violence by country.
Quote:

Intentional homicides by country
Source: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 2010[8]
Country Year % homicides with firearms Firearm homicide rate
per 100,000 pop.
Non-firearm homicide rate
per 100,000 pop. Overall homicide rate
per 100,000 Right to bear arms guaranteed by law. Comment
Australia 2009 11.5 0.13 1.07 1.20 No [27]
Azerbaijan 2008 6.6 0.12 2.03 2.15 No [28]
Barbados 2000 40 3.00 4.49 7.49 No [29]
Belarus 2009 2.5 0.12 4.79 4.91 No [30]
Bulgaria 2008 29.7 0.67 1.60 2.27 No [31]
Canada 2009 32.0 0.51 1.30 1.81 No [31]
Chile 2005 37.3 2.16 1.37 3.53 Yes [32]
Colombia 2010 81.1 27.09 6.30 33.39 Yes [31]
Costa Rica 2006 57.3 4.59 3.42 8.01 No [31]
Denmark 2009 31.9 0.27 0.58 0.85 Yes [33]
England & Wales 2009 6.6 0.07 0.99 1.06 No [31]
Estonia 2008 3.9 0.24 6.02 6.26 No [31]
Finland 2009 19.8 0.45 1.82 2.27 No [31]
Germany 2010 26.3 0.19 0.65 0.84 Yes [34]
Guatemala 2010 84.0 34.81 6.61 41.42 Yes [31]
Hong Kong, China (SAR) 2004 0 0.00 0.66 0.66 No [31]
Hungary 2009 5.0 0.07 1.32 1.39 Yes [35]
India 2009 7.6 0.26 3.11 3.37 No [31]
Ireland 2008 42.0 0.48 0.67 1.15 No [31]
Latvia 2009 4.6 0.22 4.56 4.78 No [31]
Lithuania 2009 2.5 0.18 7.33 7.54 Yes [31]
Macedonia 2010 62.5 1.21 0.73 1.94 No [31]
Mexico 2010 54.9 9.97 12.74 22.71 Yes [31]
Moldova, Republic of 2009 3.3 0.22 6.60 6.82 Yes [31]
New Zealand 2008 13.5 0.16 1.06 1.22 No [31]
Paraguay 2009 56.1 7.35 4.70 12.05 Yes [36]
Poland 2009 7.1 0.92 0.37 1.29 Yes [37]
Portugal 2009 33.8 0.42 0.80 1.22 Yes [38]
Qatar 2004 16.7 0.14 0.70 0.84 Yes [39]
Singapore 2006 5.9 0.02 0.90 0.92 No [31]
Slovakia 2006 11.2 0.18 1.46 1.64 Yes [40]
Slovenia 2009 15.4 0.10 0.54 0.64 Yes [41]
Spain 2009 21.8 0.20 0.67 0.87 No [42]
Switzerland 2004 72.2 0.77 0.30 1.07 Yes [31]
Ukraine 2009 4.5 0.22 5.20 5.42 Yes [43]
United States 2010 67.5 3.21 1.54 4.75 Yes [31]
Uruguay 2004 46.5 2.80 3.22 6.02 Yes [44]
Zimbabwe 2000 66 4.75 2.49 7.24 No [31]


You do know how to read numbers?
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2013 10:44 am
@cicerone imposter,
On the "happiness index," US is 114th.

From Wiki.
Quote:
114 United States
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 22 Apr, 2013 10:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
The stats on Switzerland is wrong! Here's more info.
Quote:
Switzerland has also been moving away from having widespread guns. The laws are done canton by canton, which is like a province. Everyone in Switzerland serves in the army, and the cantons used to let you have the guns at home. They’ve been moving to keeping the guns in depots. That means they’re not in the household, which makes sense because the literature shows us that if the gun is in the household, the risk goes up for everyone in the household.


They understand gun violence, and have removed guns from their households.

SMARTER than Americans.
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