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Fellow Bostonians: How many of us wished we had an assault weapon last night?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 02:56 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

It is not however your right to seized US citizens when they are traveling for so call crimes that are protected rights under our constitution.
Then, you should invade/bomb/destroy Denmark, because he was arrested there.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 22 May, 2013 03:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Lauck has the German nationality


LOL if I remember correctly he had been kicked out of Germany and told not to return many many years before being seized and taken to Germany so somehow I do not think he have German citizenship that was in good order.

Nice try however if somewhat beside the point as he did have American citizenship in good order and the claims that he broke German laws happen when he was outside of Germany on American soil as an American citizen.

You do blow some nice smoke rings however.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 03:21 pm
@BillRM,
He has double-nationality. He wasn't "kicked out of Germany" but born in the USA. (And that was the only reason why he could be expelled to the USA after serving his prison time)
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 22 May, 2013 03:24 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

You do blow some nice smoke rings however.
No, but I've studied (German) law and worked quite some time in various law institutions.
BillW
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 03:32 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, american right wingers love to accuse their opponents of their most aggregious actions before they can get accused for the actions. You can guess what they accuse them of then. White wash debate tactics <sigh>

Ignorance is preferable to error, and He is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than He who believes what is wrong.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 03:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
No, but I've studied (German) law and worked quite some time in various law institutions.


Well if you think that German laws can be apply to an American citizen while on American soil I would ask for my money back if I was you.

Of course your nation got away with it in this case as it seems the US state department did not do it duty to protect all US citizens even if they are a neo-nazis pains in the ass.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 03:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
He wasn't "kicked out of Germany"


From what I had read of the case he was indeed kicked out of Germany many years before he was seized in Denmark and taken back to Germany for a trial.

I will see if I can find that information once more.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 03:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Then, you should invade/bomb/destroy Denmark, because he was arrested there.


Big powerful Germany a damn big fish in the EU pond got Denmark to go along with them but we should blame Denmark instead of Germany??????????

I do agree that the US should had been raising hell with Denmark to the point that our pressure far outweigh your and the man was put on a plane back to the US.

However somehow I would bet there was likely some back channel agreement ahead of time to allow Germany to seized an American citizen and not get any blow back from the state department.

Might be fun to make some freedom of information requests over the matter to the state department.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 04:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
He has double-nationality. He wasn't "kicked out of Germany"


WRONG WRONG WRONG......In 1976 he was kicked out of Germany for life and I see zero indication that the man born in the US ever had any German citizenship standing of any kind.

Quote:


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/gary-gerhard-lauck#.UZ1DKqzLd8M

Lauck had several run-ins with German authorities during the 1970s: a 1972 arrest for distributing Nazi literature; a 1974 expulsion after giving a speech in Hamburg on "why Hitler is still so popular in the United States," and a 1976 arrest while carrying 20,000 Nazi posters. After that arrest, Lauck served a four-month term in a German prison. He was then deported and banned from Germany for life.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 04:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
How well can someone get along in English in Germany ?
mysteryman
 
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Wed 22 May, 2013 06:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I'm not Walter, but when I was there I never had a problem.
The people I met all spoke english well enough to be understood, even if they weren't fluent in it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 12:07 am
@OmSigDAVID,
English is taught in primary schools since a couple of years, some pre-schools teach it as well.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 12:24 am
@BillRM,
In 1976, Gauck was sentenced by the regional court Koblenz to 6 month suspended sentence and 1.000 Deutsche Mark fine.
With an administrative act, he was evicted on the same day of the ruling and got a lifelong entry ban.
Between 1981 and 1994 he seems to have entered the country illegally some times, about eight trials at different courts were started against him-
BillRM
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 01:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Well he surely was never a German citizen as you try to claimed earlier on this thread unless that fine legal education of your can explain how you can ban the holder of citizenship from his own nation!!!! PS there was also no sign that anyone revoked any citizenship of his a not simple process anywhere in the world that I know of and not something you would do for minor charges in any case.

Next there was no indication he enter Germany between 1976 until he got drag back by the German government even if he did send ban materials into your nation over that time frame that I could find. If you have any links otherwise please post them.

Doing added research it seems that he was a big damn neo-nazis pain to both the US and Germany and a number of other EU nations and my conclusion is that both American and German government bureaucrats got together to have him drag off to Germany.

I can kind of understand the German bureaucrats doing so but it is a damn shame that he seems to had people in his own government working against him a government that have an obligation to protect him even if he were a neo-nazis pain.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 02:09 am
@BillRM,
He was a German (and a US-citizen). That's at least what is stated in the 70's ruling as quoted in law magazines.

There are indications that he had been in Germany, at least that's police and federal and state's Offices for the Protection of the Constitution claim(ed).

He was and is a criminal according to our criminal code.
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roger
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 02:13 am
I don't know about any of this stuff, but I do note that the US government requires that Americans abroad continue to obey US law while in other countries. I'm not sure of the legal theory, but there she is.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 02:16 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

I can kind of understand the German bureaucrats doing so ...
The prosecution is legally committed to do so, it's an ex officio crime.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 02:31 am
@roger,
Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws. Says the US Department of State.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 02:59 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


I bet those people on the street wish they had a gun instead of just a cell phone.


Why, after they'd killed the soldier they just made political speeches.


People are murdered in America every day, over here it's a rare event.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 23 May, 2013 03:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David he was hit by a car then finished off, having a gun would have made absolutely no difference whatsoever.
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