Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

@mysteryman,

Those unused, umarked ammo could be melted down and turned into desks for school children...

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@RexRed,

Desks for school children? Brass and lead school desks? That is about the stupidest idea I have ever heard.

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@hingehead,

Guns in the home increase your chance of being killed by a gun by 72% primarily because those who have a gun are more likely to choose that as their suicide method. I argue that in these cases guns function as benefit to the owner.

The useful state would be " how much more likely am I to die of either unintentional self harm or at the hand of another by gun if I have one in the home?"

Good luck finding that number, because the elite dont want us to have it....it would get in the way of their anti gun agenda. "Let the truth come out" is not the motto of these political activists.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eWXC8-XV6F8/URbpwQO4MFI/AAAAAAABH3U/Aa6AbhXP3Jw/s1600/130209-firearms-deaths.gif

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@hawkeye10,

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People who have ready access to a firearm are almost twice as likely to be killed and three times likelier to commit suicide than those without a gun available in the home or from a neighbor or friend, a new study has concluded.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-guns-20140121-story.html

Those with an anti gun agenda get caught inflating the numbers??!! I AM SHOCKED!

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@hawkeye10,

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And we know that 102 people killed in these accidental gun deaths in 2011 were younger than 18, according to Vernick, with half of these children younger than age 13.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/04/how-often-do-children-in-the-u-s-unintentionally-shoot-and-kill-people-we-dont-know/

102 a year out of a population of well over 300 million.....explain to me why I should make this a priority when it is such a minor occurance please.

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@hawkeye10,

I disagree. The gun itself makes harm (self or other) too easy. It's an enabler with such a short term preparation that it will be used in 'moments of madness' - other methods allow time for reflection and self-awareness, even a minute could mean a reprieve.

Your table is meaningless as a comparison to non-gun homes.

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@hingehead,

We could I am sure get the murder rate down some more, but I cant get behind the idea that this is a problem that I or anyone else should devote significant time or resources towards. We have much more productive places to place our attention.

http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/murder-rate-trend-1900-2010.jpg

This is right there with the rape hysteria as a place were the activists are demanding that we squander resources. You cant blame lies from the NRA as the reason why we dont get excited about guns these days, the reason is that most folks are aware that we are much more safe now than we have been for our entire lives. Very few people are old enough to have lived through lower crime/homicide/sexual assault rates. The activists crying " CRISIS!" sound delusional to those who know reality. The media screaming "CRISIS!" dont change this, as they have had very little credibility for a long time now.

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@hingehead,

Yet other countries that have strict control of guns, still have a higher right of suicide then we do in the US. Why is that?

We are ranked 43rd on the list...

France, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland, Denmark and Sweden all have much higher suicide rates than we do in the US. Guns make no difference it seems when it comes to killing oneself.

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@Baldimo,

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Yet other countries that have strict control of guns, still have a higher right of suicide then we do in the US. Why is that?

Because in a lot of places suicide is the honorable thing to do in many circumstances. The activists need to throw the suicide numbers in, in fact often go to great lengths to hide that their numbers are made up primarily of suicides, because the homicide rate by gun numbers are very not scary to anyone who is not black. And blacks bring there gun homicide rates on themselves by glorifying gun violence in their culture. We cant save everyone, and the stupid ones can go first.

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@hawkeye10,

Last week the major media was sniffing " we cant do anything about guns because we have so much gun violence that people are desensitized". What complete bullshit, we cant do anything about guns because the gun violence rate for anyone not black is the best it has been in 50 years and so the facts dont warrant removing the freedom to own and use guns according to most people. Dont hold your breath waiting for the major media or the D run government to speak the truth...as we see so clearly with the alleged campus rape crisis they are allergic to the concept.

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@hawkeye10,

You are extremely spurious in your selection of charts - that's the second one you've used on this page that doesn't compare anything except itself.

Compare the US gun-related homicide/suicide rates to comparable western countries rather than to itself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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@hingehead,

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ompare the US gun-related homicide/suicide rates to comparable western countries rather than to itself

WHY? Unless we are willing to become a nation that does not glorify violence and stops the practice of stretching our sadism we are never going to have homicide rates as low a lot of other places, and I have yet to be convinced that suicide is a problem at all, much less that we should devote resources to cutting the number. A person needs to decide what kind of life they want to live, and a collective needs to decide what kind of collective they want to be. We dont have to make the same choices as say Europe does, at least not till we have a global government.

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@hawkeye10,

You get the country you deserve I guess.

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@hingehead,

condescension will get you nowhere with me, because I never agreed that you are better than me, and I never agreed that Australia is better than the USA.

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@hawkeye10,

Sorry, you misunderstand me, I'm not for a second suggesting Australia is better than the USA, but you get to lie in the bed you have a hand in creating. Just like I have to do same.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

The useful state would be " how much more likely am I to die of either unintentional self harm or at the hand of another by gun if I have one in the home?"

Good luck finding that number, because the elite dont want us to have it....it would get in the way of their anti gun agenda. "Let the truth come out" is not the motto of these political activists.

Actually the useful question is "How much more likely am I to die of either unintentional self harm or at the hand of another, regardless of the ultimate means of death, if I have a gun in the home?"

You can find some data on that question here:
http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html
http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html

This one is useful for debunking some of the other Freedom Hater nonsense that has been posted in this thread:
http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

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Mayor of Charleston drops the mic on Huckabee and gun culture's fantasy of arming everybody.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/25/1396633/-Mayor-of-Charleston-drops-the-mic-on-Huckabee-and-gun-culture-s-fantasy-of-arming-everybody

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

Mayor of Charleston drops the mic on Huckabee and gun culture's fantasy of arming everybody.

One of the best reason for voting for Republicans is: The Left hates the Constitution and wants to violate our civil rights.

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Brady Center busted, ordered to pay court fee's for BS lawsuit.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/29/brady-center-ordered-pay-ammo-dealers-legal-fees-a/

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