Is religion responsible for the opposition to peace in the Israel-Palestine conflict?

There is scant historical and archaeological evidence of the Israelites. By and large, what we know about them is from the legendary and mythological stories in the Bible.

Approximately 14 percent of Ashkenazi Zionists demonstrate Y chromosome DNA haplotypes that are thought to have originated in the Middle East.

And genetically indistinguishable from the Palestinians, who are also the indigenous population of the West Bank.

Can you tell me what year Israel broke a ceasefire with Hamas?

Can you describe for me the details of Operation Agatha?

And can you tell me how this speaks to Israel's alleged desire for peace?

And can you tell me how this speaks to Israel's alleged desire for peace?

I expect never.

No. I am too busy playing World of Warcraft and watching the Olympics to look up some obscure reference.

InfraBlue wrote:

There is scant historical and archaeological evidence of the Israelites. By and large, what we know about them is from the legendary and mythological stories in the Bible.

Egyptian records record the existence of the Hebrew deity in 1400 BC and the existence of the Israelite people in 1200 BC.

There are archaeological sites throughout the West Bank dating to 1200 BC showing a people with the dietary practices of Jews

There are numerous records in neighboring kingdoms of international relations and/or disputes with the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah in the 9th through 7th centuries BC, including the participation of the two kingdoms in an occasional famous battle.

There is archaeological evidence of the existence of both Israel and Judah in the 9th through 7th centuries BC, especially in their capital cities of Jerusalem and Samaria.

And of course Assyria and Babylon recorded their conquest and destruction of the two kingdoms in 722 BC and 586 BC.

When you deny science and history you make it so easy.

InfraBlue wrote:

Approximately 14 percent of Ashkenazi Zionists demonstrate Y chromosome DNA haplotypes that are thought to have originated in the Middle East.

As I said, they are the indigenous population of the West Bank.

The existence of a Hebrew deity is one thing, the existence of an Israelite people is another thing. It isn't clear to whom those records refer to exactly seeing as how the accompanying illustrations depict Canaanites.

The Zionists are the same group of people. They just want to return to their indigenous home.

Dont you ever get tired of the anti-Semite attempt to overcome fact? Prove me wrong or shut up.

I think we both know that the reason you won't describe the details of Operation Agatha has nothing to do with being too busy playing games and watching sports.

I wonder what kind of excuse he gave when he flunked a test. Too busy watching sports.....

The existence of a Hebrew deity is one thing, the existence of an Israelite people is another thing.

It isn't clear to whom those records refer to exactly seeing as how the accompanying illustrations depict Canaanites.

The dietary practices of Jews is one thing, the existence of an Israelite people is another thing.

There have been found absences of pig bones in Aramaean sites as well as in Palestine during these times.

Actually, the artifacts refer to kings and leaders of certain family lines not Israel and the nature of these rulers in regard to who or what they ruled over isn't clear from these artifacts

and actually tend to contradict the legends and mythologies found in the Bible.

There is more evidence for Judah than there is for Israel, or Israelites which is the point I am arguing, during these times.

The Assyrians record the defeat of the king of Israel, not the destruction of a kingdom.

Science and history are one thing, legends and myths are quite another.

Those haplotypes originate from the Middle East in general, not the West Bank in particular,

Those haplotypes originate from the Middle East in general, not the West Bank in particular, and 14 percent is only a fraction of the total Ashkenazi Zionist population. The idea that the Zionists are the indigenous population of the West Bank having a 14 percent genetic origin in the Middle East in general is preposterous.

InfraBlue wrote:

The existence of a Hebrew deity is one thing, the existence of an Israelite people is another thing. It isn't clear to whom those records refer to exactly seeing as how the accompanying illustrations depict Canaanites.

That's what I found also.

Since the Israelites were one of the Iron Age kingdoms that rose from the ashes after Bronze Age Canaan collapsed, why wouldn't they be depicted as Canaanites, especially in their first moments as a separate culture?

So their neighbors had some of the same cultural practices. That is not surprising considering that these Iron Age kingdoms all rose from the remains of Bronze Age Canaan.

The House of David refers to the ruling line of Judah. Ahab the Israelite was a king of the northern Israelite kingdom.

When kings promote national histories that aren't true, that doesn't prevent historians and archaeologists from piecing together the truth.

There are the ninth and eighth century BC remains of Samaria. And Kings Omri and Ahab garnered a fair amount of international notice.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

And of course Assyria and Babylon recorded their conquest and destruction of the two kingdoms in 722 BC and 586 BC.

The Assyrians record the defeat of the king of Israel, not the destruction of a kingdom.

The existence of a king for them to defeat suggests the existence of a kingdom.

Science and history firmly establish that the Hebrew deity existed as early as 1400 BC, that the Israelite culture existed in the West Bank area as early as 1200 BC, and that the Israelite kingdoms of Judah and Israel existed in the ninth through seventh centuries BC.

InfraBlue wrote:

Those haplotypes originate from the Middle East in general, not the West Bank in particular,

We know from history and archaeology exactly where the Jewish homeland is.

InfraBlue wrote:

Those haplotypes originate from the Middle East in general, not the West Bank in particular, and 14 percent is only a fraction of the total Ashkenazi Zionist population. The idea that the Zionists are the indigenous population of the West Bank having a 14 percent genetic origin in the Middle East in general is preposterous.

The fact that they interbred with others during their forced exile does not remove their right to their ancient homeland.

Hallucinate whatever you like. The fact remains, the Palestinians refused to make peace and now Israel gets to keep the land.