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Is religion responsible for the opposition to peace in the Israel-Palestine conflict?

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 02:01 pm
@AugustineBrother,
How do you get from an opinion piece by a single person to your claim that "in Israel support is overwhelmingly in favor of Trump"?

Given that polls show that most Israelis are in favor of Hillary Clinton... that is a very big leap in deed.

Your statement was factually wrong.

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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 03:11 pm
@maxdancona,
Accept that you give priority to the religious allegiance and never admit that evil people use religion like they use politics, businesses, friends, etc.

I say people like you fuel conflict by taking someone's religious allegiance at face value. Strong religious views have nothing to do with it except where they are wrong in a pre-religious judgment. For example, you say a burka-wearing Muslim is a provocation but I say, where kitcheware if you want but if what you wear (religious or not) does not match up to the law, as in wearing clothers that mask identity or allow the carrying of explosives, then it is forbidden. Not allowing certain things that are called religiuous needn't be done on religious grounds.

Now this fluff of yours is sheer Pollyanna :" accept the humanity of Israelis, and for Israeli Jews to accept the humanity of Palestinian Muslims. "

1000 years and your still betting on a horse that never makes it to the finish line.

AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 03:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But where is the outrage over the persecution of Christians in the Holy Land?
You say Palestinians but you don't say Muslims. I think you want everything secular.

Correct me if I am wrong. The only standard that should apply is what applies to humans as humans, not as gays, Palestinians, women, etc.

Are you for the UN Declaration on Human Rights?
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 03:17 pm
@maxdancona,
Is there anything more hypocritical than someone who rejects Christianity giving a sermon on what it is to be a Christian. You ASSUME that a Christian opposes something as a Christian and not as a thinking person whenever you know you are dealing with a believer.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 03:29 pm
@AugustineBrother,
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For example, you say a burka-wearing Muslim is a provocation


Where did I say this?

You aren't making sense Brother.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 03:32 pm
@AugustineBrother,
I don't see that as hypocritical at all. I was a Christian for many years before I decided that the inconsistencies inherent in the Christian religion were too great for me to brush aside.

I know quite a bit about what being a Christian means.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2016 04:32 pm
@maxdancona,
You too! All my siblings are still christians, and I decided in my early teens that the inconsistencies could not be ignored.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2016 08:28 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Are there people who don't hold one of these religious beliefs who oppose the peace process?

I wouldn't say I oppose the peace process, but I'm certainly disillusioned by it. I'm a bit tired of Israel making a fair attempt at peace, only to have everyone lie about Israel and demonize them.

My hardline stance is driven entirely by the fact that people had their chance to make peace with Israel, and now it is time to manage the Palestinians entirely by military force.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2016 08:30 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Zionism is, for the most part, a secular nationalist ideology that holds the view of an ethnic entitlement to Palestine based on the mythologies found in the Bible.

That the Israelites are the indigenous population of the West Bank comes entirely from science and archaeology.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2016 10:27 am
@oralloy,
The reason Jews demonize Israelis/Zionists is the fact that they're breaking international laws by building settlements on Palestinian lands.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2016 11:10 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
The reason Jews demonize Israelis/Zionists is the fact that they're breaking international laws by building settlements on Palestinian lands.

I'm sure Self Hating Jews have lots of ways to rationalize their hate.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2016 03:40 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Zionism is, for the most part, a secular nationalist ideology that holds the view of an ethnic entitlement to Palestine based on the mythologies found in the Bible.

That the Israelites are the indigenous population of the West Bank comes entirely from science and archaeology.

The Israelites were one group of legendary and mythologized people. The Zionists are another group of people with those legends and myths at the core of their ideology.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 10:44 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The Israelites were one group of legendary and mythologized people.

The existence of the Israelites is proven by history and archaeology. They existed just as much as the ancient Egyptians did.


InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists are another group of people with those legends and myths at the core of their ideology.

The Zionists are the same group of people. They just want to return to their indigenous home.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 10:46 am
@InfraBlue,
And many Jews in the US are against the Zionists in Israel.
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CVeigh
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:39 am
@maxdancona,
I will make 3 indirect points so as not to show you in the poor light I hold you.

1) If you wanted to know what is responsible (and not just to pick a reason to attack people who think differently from you) you would ask, What do you think is responsible for opposition, etc.

2) You don't seem to even see that irreligion might be responsible at all. I really cringe to imagine your Holocaust views.

3) Do you really mean to excuse whoever is wrongfully opposing peace by allowing them a 'religious' out ? Why not just be a man and say that opposing peace is wrong.

My best guess is you hate Jews and can't think of a way to introduce the subject except this way.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 06:42 pm
@CVeigh,
Perhaps its the fact that when Isralies refer to the holocaust they only talk about the 6 million Jews who died but refuse to talk about the 7 to 10 million non Jews who died in the death camps.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 07:06 pm
@RABEL222,
They refuse to talk about the non-Jewish victims of the Nazi's extermination plans? That's an interesting claim, and the sort of outlandish thing an anti-Semite might say.

I guess you hold Armenians in ill regard because when they talk about the brutality of Turks they fail to reference Kurds.
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 08:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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they're breaking international laws by building settlements on Palestinian lands.

Hear hear!
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:58 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Israelites were one group of legendary and mythologized people.

The existence of the Israelites is proven by history and archaeology. They existed just as much as the ancient Egyptians did.


There is scant historical and archaeological evidence of the Israelites. By and large, what we know about them is from the legendary and mythological stories in the Bible.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists are another group of people with those legends and myths at the core of their ideology.

The Zionists are the same group of people. They just want to return to their indigenous home.


The latest genealogical information indicates that the Ashkenazi Zionists demonstrate, for the most part, matrilineal (mitocondreal DNA) gene haplotypes that originated in southern Europe and other parts of Europe. Most of the patrilineal (Y chromosome DNA) gene haplotypes demonstrated by the Ashkenazi Zionists originated in various parts of Europe and Asia. Approximately 14 percent of Ashkenazi Zionists demonstrate Y chromosome DNA haplotypes that are thought to have originated in the Middle East.

A MOSAIC OF PEOPLE: THE JEWISH STORY AND A REASSESSMENT OF THE DNA EVIDENCE Ellen Levy-Coffman
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 12 Aug, 2016 03:04 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
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they're breaking international laws by building settlements on Palestinian lands.

Hear hear!

International law required the Palestinians to make peace with Israel.

By breaking international law and refusing to make peace with Israel, the Palestinians made it OK for Israel to keep the land for themselves.

No use crying about it now. Next time look over the words "Land For Peace" a little more closely. It didn't require Israel to give up land if they didn't receive peace in return.
 

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