Is religion responsible for the opposition to peace in the Israel-Palestine conflict?

peacefully... as second and third class citizens, on land which was theirs until systematically taken from them.

Why don't you start banning Asians from this country. The 442 Infantry Batllion,made up of Japanese Americans who fought in Europe is the most decorated unit in the US. What did you contribute to this country?

Foofie wrote:

And, all that DNA analysis that you refer to also makes an argument that male Ashkenazim often have the Y chromosome from the mid-east, while the X chromosome comes often from a European female. The theory is that early travels, to set up trading posts in pagan Europe, led to mixing with European women; the children were brought up as Jews.

A minority of Ashkenazim males exhibit chromosomal haplotypes that are thought to have originated in the Middle East. Most female Ashkenazim exhibit mitochondrial DNA that originated in Europe. This give the lie to the legends and myths of the Bible that claim a matrilineal decent of Jews, and the ridiculous claims that the Zionists own Palestine thereof.

There never was an Israel the way the Zionists fantasize it, either. My position is more to the point of justice for the Palestinians, and the risk of a brutal and violent resolution to the Zionists' continued reneging of that justice.

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law.[1][2][3][4][5] Israel maintains that they are consistent with international law[6] because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War.[7] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply.[8][9]

InfraBlue wrote:

There never was an Israel the way the Zionists fantasize it, either. My position is more to the point of justice for the Palestinians, and the risk of a brutal and violent resolution to the Zionists' continued reneging of that justice.

You have a "position"?

Its obviously factually true to you.

You show no nuance, no thoughtfulness that isn't informed by a clearly, obvious, redundant, interest. This isn't Disney. This isn't an 80's sitcom. There is clearly plenty of evidence for culpability for both sides, though in my opinion the one with the most power gets the most blame as they own the lions share of the control. I might also ask why those with the lessor power are behaving as they are.

I think most people are this way. Ask what Americans would do if a foreign force tried to put the American Indians back in their original land, displacing the Americans already living there. I'm sure they would quietly acquiesce to the Indians and the foreign force as it is the 'right' thing to do..!

The situation in postwar Europe does not justify the Zionists oppression of the Palestinian peoples.

There never was an Israel the way the Zionists fantasize it, either.

My position is more to the point of justice for the Palestinians, and the risk of a brutal and violent resolution to the Zionists' continued reneging of that justice.

Most of us have a position. It happens to agree with the United Nations that Israel's settlements are illegal.

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The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law.[1][2][3][4][5] Israel maintains that they are consistent with international law[6] because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War.[7] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply.[8][9]

Thanks for lesson in what facts are.

Doesn't it embarrass you to keep repeating the same thing about how the Palestinians refuse peace over and over again

as if somehow your averance to this will make it true?

Just how do you know this?

Do you have special knowledge that none of us have access to?

How do you know that the Israelis don't undermine their peace overtures?

Do you have a "facts are facts" crystal ball?

You remind me of the uber religious who keep uttering their same mantras ad nasuem in some Freudian effort to maintain their fantasys..

good luck to you man..

your life sounds like it needs it..

Facts are facts! Period!

Most of us have a position. It happens to agree with the United Nations that Israel's settlements are illegal.

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The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law.[1][2][3][4][5] Israel maintains that they are consistent with international law[6] because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War.[7] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply.[8][9]

InfraBlue wrote:

The situation in postwar Europe does not justify the Zionists oppression of the Palestinian peoples.

The Palestinians are not being oppressed. They were repeatedly and endlessly offered a two-state solution. All they needed to do was agree to peace with Israel.

Every single time, the Palestinians chose instead to wage perpetual war against Israel.

InfraBlue wrote:

There never was an Israel the way the Zionists fantasize it, either.

While there may well be Zionists who have unrealistic fantasies of Iron Age Israel, there are also Zionists who envision the Iron Age Israel that is depicted by archaeology.

I just bought a couple books by an Israeli archaeologist. Since he is Israeli I presume he believes in Israel's right to exist (though I neither know nor care about his politics; I want his books for the science). I'm pretty sure that his vision of Iron Age Israel is going to be pretty accurate.

InfraBlue wrote:

My position is more to the point of justice for the Palestinians, and the risk of a brutal and violent resolution to the Zionists' continued reneging of that justice.

Justice for the Palestinians would involve making them answer for their refusal to accept a peaceful two-state solution with Israel.

I think I am unable to argue with you.