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Lola at the Coffee House

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:00 pm
@vonny,
I often don't like modern work as much as I do older art (say, Giotto and Duccio) but I like some of it a lot........ and much in between those times. Sigh.
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vonny
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:12 pm
@farmerman,
I'm inclined to agree with you. It is going to be something for the tourists - like the Shard and the Gherkin. Not my kind of architecture at all. I'm a traditionalist.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:15 pm
bump
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 01:16 pm
@farmerman,
I've only seen the outside of it (huh!) but I put in the category of museums I haven't been to that I've heard people say they got almost dizzy in (the relatively new one in Denver by whatsisname has similar complaints, haven't been there either), added to it apparently being more about the architecture than the optimal way (always arguable) to show art. Since I haven't experienced these places, I don't know how I would react to them; just wary.
I remember our friend Harvey talking about the Guggenheim and can't now remember if he liked or hated parts of the interior. He was a big modern art fan.

Ah, Daniel Libeskind:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Daniel_Libeskind.jpg/220px-Daniel_Libeskind.jpg
Denver Art Museum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Libeskind

We had a thread once about his Ontario museum too - Royal Ontario Museum.
Maybe more than one thread - here's this one: http://able2know.org/topic/99017-1

I miss Tico still. (She's not the same person as Ticomaya, whom we call Tico too.)
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 02:00 pm
@farmerman,
I still like the Guggenheim. Stone's throw from the Met. I remember when it first opened back in the late 1950s.

http://media.guggenheim.org/content/New_York/about_us/au_home_690h.jpg

I was dating an art student at the time, a freshman at the Mass. College of Art (I was a sophomore at B.U. myself at the time). She had an art history assignment to write an essay on some aspects of the architetural style of Frank Lloyd Wright. So we decided to do a weekend trip to NYC to take a look at the brand new Guggenheim, a Wright design. We did it in style -- actually took a flight from Logan Airport to LaGuardia one Saturday morning. It was my very first time on a commercial airline. Previously always drove to NY or took a train or Greyhound bus. You could smoke on those flights back then. Cocktails were complimentary.

Ah, the good old days.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:20 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
The new Tate, will outlive its own uniqueness just as the Guggenheim in NYC.
Gugenheim is now kind of an eyesore.

The uniqueness of the Guggenheim isn't just the external appearance, it's also the way it allows the art to be displayed inside the building.

I love to start at the top and walk down the ramps of the Guggenheim because it allows paintings and sculptures to be viewed from different distances--you aren't confined in a room--there aren't walls to block seeing something from across the building. I really enjoy the openness.
http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeographic.com/files/2013/06/guggenheim-museum-interior-nyc.jpg

I've always thought the exterior of the Guggenheim was hideous, and way too out of place, and discordant, with anything else in the area. But, in terms of interior space, as a showcase for art, and as an easy museum to navigate, I really like it very much.

Haven't been there in ages though, walking isn't the pleasure for me that it once was.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2013 03:27 pm
@firefly,
About that Guggenheim exterior: I remember reading somewhere that Frank Lloyd Wright's original design called for that bizarre hand-grenade shape to be ivy covered. It would thus blend in with its Central Park surroundings and look like a huge bush, all green and natural. There was some reason why the zoning board, or whoever the final authority was, wouldn't allow this. So we ended up with a pile of cement in the middle of the block instead.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 08:01 am
@Lustig Andrei,
These piles of building materials we are being exposed to, now that piles of food have become wearying, are temples reflecting the virtues of the arty-farty chattering classes which infest every city and any number of large towns. They stand there demanding that we hold the arty-farty chattering classes in reverence and awe in order that their literary meanderings, inserted into flattened out wood pulp, are treated with respect and often even considered infallible.

Like all imitations of nature, and they are imitations of caves, the surface is irrelevant. It is the soul we have to try to fathom. And the changes it goes through over time.

There are remarkable similarities between the pictures being shown and some cave paintings I have seen. Regarding form rather than substance.

The temples to the glory of God are in a rivalry, a death struggle, with the temples to the most excellent soul of the AFCC.

And Jeremy Paxman has a tailored beard now.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 08:15 am
@spendius,
that's why there is both chocolate and vanilla
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 08:18 am
@firefly,
there is an elevator that allows one to take theor wheely chair up many flights and hurdle past Frank Stellas and Basquiats at light approaching speed. One can see the red shifts as one passes a Bacon or Chuck Close
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 08:29 am
@Lustig Andrei,
My first trip to the Guggenheim was to see an exhibit of "latest flavors of painters". It was in the early 60s and I was about 12. It was a wonderment then but, just as any Steinbeck story ages as we mature, it too, started really "grating" on me as more a temple to one mans ego than for any real purpose.
The old chestnut that the unique style for display mkes it all worth while is countered by the fact that space is so limited because of the necessary internal cantelievering and nautiloid pathways that it has wasted at least 50% of potential gallery space.

Wright was always a hard one to deal with Ive been told. LAst year we went to revisit "FAllingwater" with its damp rooms and crcking overhangs. The entire building was re-hung by the Commonwealth of PA at a cost of 20+ MILLION (Just to fix up Frankies ****-ups).
Fallingwater was both very hot in the summer and freezing cold in the winter so the state went and installed a climate control system.
Several paintings by Riviera and Orozco and pottery by Newcomb, Teco and van Briggle were all cracked and had to be "touched up".

I view the Guggenheim much the same, its a huge pimple in the city and it serves as much purpose as Michael Jacksons one glove.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 08:42 am
@farmerman,
I've liked a few Wright buildings but by and large I agree with you on him. I once set out to read all his books (bought them), gave up on that early.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 12:17 pm
Since we are talking about museums, there was an interesting news story in yesterday's NY Times about an art forgery case...
Quote:
One Queens Painter Created Forgeries That Sold for Millions, U.S. Says
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/08/16/nyregion/fraud-3/fraud-3-articleLarge.jpg
“Untitled” by Jackson Pollock was one of the forged works. How imitations of the most heralded Abstract Expressionists by a complete unknown could have fooled connoisseurs and clients remains a mystery.

By PATRICIA COHEN and WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
August 15, 2013

For 15 years, some of the art world’s most established dealers and experts rhapsodized about dozens of newly discovered masterworks by titans of Modernism. Elite buyers paid up to $17 million to own just one of these canvases, said to have been created by the hands of artists like Jackson Pollock, Willem de Kooning, Mark Rothko, Franz Kline and Robert Motherwell.

But federal prosecutors say that most, if not all, of the 63 ballyhooed works — which fetched more than $80 million in sales — were painted in a home and garage in Queens by one unusually talented but unknown artist who was paid only a few thousand dollars apiece for his handiworks.

Authorities did not name or charge the painter and provided few identifying details except to say he had trained at a Manhattan art school in a variety of disciplines including painting, drawing and lithography. He was selling his work on the streets of New York in the early 1990s, they said, when he was spotted by a Chelsea art dealer who helped convert his work into one of the most audacious art frauds in recent memory.

The new details about the man said to have created the fakes were contained in a superseding indictment, handed up Wednesday against one of the co-conspirators, Glafira Rosales, an obscure dealer from Long Island who was arrested after a lengthy Federal Bureau of Investigation inquiry. She has been charged with wire fraud and money laundering in connection to what authorities have called a scam, but her boyfriend, alleged to be the other co-conspirator who discovered the painter, has not been charged.

Investigators say Ms. Rosales sold 40 of the counterfeit works through Knoedler & Company, a venerable Upper East Side gallery that took in about $63 million from their sale. The gallery, which abruptly closed in November 2011, kept $43 million of that sum, and paid Ms. Rosales $20 million. Fakes sold through a second Manhattan dealer, Julian Weissman, brought in another $17 million, according to the indictment.

Meanwhile, the painter earned $5,400 for a painting in December 2005 and $7,000 for another in February 2008, the indictment said.

Ms. Rosales has pleaded not guilty and was released on bail earlier this week. Knoedler, its former president Ann Freedman, and Mr. Weissman have repeatedly said they believed the works they sold had been authentic.

How imitations of the most heralded Abstract Expressionists by a complete unknown could have fooled connoisseurs and clients remains a mystery.

“It’s impressive,” said Jack Flam, president of the Dedalus Foundation, the nonprofit organization that authenticates Motherwell’s work. “Whoever did these paintings was very well-informed of the practices of the artists.”

One of the first experts to publicly identify some of these paintings as forgeries, Mr. Flam noted that not only the works themselves, but also the backs of the paintings and the way the canvases were treated and the frames constructed aped the styles of the artists.

But he said “the way we look at reality is highly influenced by the context it’s presented to us.” The fact that they were sold by Knoedler, a respected gallery, influenced people’s opinions, he said.

You can read more at
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/16/nyregion/one-queens-painter-created-forgeries-that-sold-for-millions-us-says.html?ref=arts&_r=0
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 01:16 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
there is an elevator that allows one to take theor wheely chair up many flights and hurdle past Frank Stellas and Basquiats at light approaching speed. One can see the red shifts as one passes a Bacon or Chuck Close


Gee!! And I once depicted American tourists "doing" The Louvre at 4 mph, eating a burger and talking loudly.

Just shows how little I know.

spendius
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 05:23 pm
@spendius,
It's possible that artistic credentials might be established simply by knowing how to spell Giotto.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2013 05:34 pm
@firefly,
Hah. Wanna lay bets on how many thousands of people considered doing that for a joke, and how many considered it doing it for real?

There was another guy that I saw in some documentary, that I thought that looks like fun. Barnett Newman maybe. (Mourns the loss of the Fox Venice on Lincoln Boulevard - they had great movies paired, changing daily, along with some documentaries and some live performances, for example by the San Francisco Mime Troup.)
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 18 Aug, 2013 02:11 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
Hah. Wanna lay bets on how many thousands of people considered doing that for a joke, and how many considered it doing it for real?

What, the art forgeries?

Whoever did those is obviously very good. I hope maybe that artist will make some really serious money out of this notoriety--other people were making a fortune out of his/her forged work and sorely short-changing the artist who created it.

It does show how perception depends on context. Because such a well known, and highly respected, art house sold those paintings, they were accepted as authentic--at least by the buyers, and at least initially. But it also shows just how well done those forgeries were, in every respect, that Knoedler was apparently fooled by them. And they maintain that they were fooled, and that they believed the paintings to be authentic.

It was the lawsuits over the sale of these forgeries, and probably the damage to their reputation, that put Knoedler out of business after 165 years. That's a shame--it was one of the oldest commercial art galleries in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoedler
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 19 Aug, 2013 02:14 pm
Quote:
Coffee and tea may contribute to a healthy liver, researchers say
http://s.ph-cdn.com/newman/gfx/news/2012/tea.jpg
Surprise! Your morning cup of tea or coffee may be doing more than just perking you up before work.

An international team of researchers led by Duke-NUS Graduate Medical School (Duke-NUS) and the Duke University School of Medicine suggest that increased caffeine intake may reduce fatty liver in people with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD).

Worldwide, 70 percent of people diagnosed with diabetes and obesity have NAFLD, the major cause of fatty liver not due to excessive alcohol consumption. It is estimated that 30 percent of adults in the United States have this condition, and its prevalence is rising in Singapore. There are no effective treatments for NAFLD except diet and exercise.

Using cell culture and mouse models, the study authors - led by Paul Yen, M.D., associate professor and research fellow, and Rohit Sinha, Ph.D of the Duke-NUS Graduate Medical School's Cardiovascular and Metabolic Disorders Program in Singapore - observed that caffeine stimulates the metabolization of lipids stored in liver cells and decreased the fatty liver of mice that were fed a high-fat diet. These findings suggest that consuming the equivalent caffeine intake of four cups of coffee or tea a day may be beneficial in preventing and protecting against the progression of NAFLD in humans.

The findings will be published in the September issue of the journal Hepatology.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-08-coffee-tea-contribute-healthy-liver.html


Wassau, in the interests of health, please bring me another cup of coffee, with some of your delicious tiramisu. Smile
http://the20somethingsdotcom1.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/cup_of_coffee.jpg?w=510http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Cakes/Tiramisu2.jpg
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Aug, 2013 03:10 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Wassau, in the interests of health, please bring me another cup of coffee, with some of your delicious tiramisu.


Have you got NAFLD ff?

As for being perked up before work forget it. There's nothing but trouble comes from being perked up so it's best to keep perks to a minimum.

Washup!!! Two pints of John Smith's Extra Smooth please. Frothing over a bit.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 19 Aug, 2013 03:35 pm
@spendius,
You drink two pints of John Smith's Extra Smooth at one time?
 

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