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Lola at the Coffee House

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 03:00 pm
@firefly,
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I'm afraid I'm just rambling on and boring you all.


You are not boring me ff. I can read stuff like that for hours providing it has the requisite variations.

It is my bath time now and I think I can hardly wait to read it again.
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vonny
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 03:26 pm
@firefly,
I was struggling for words to express my feelings on the matter - but you said it all for me. Far better than I could have done!
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 03:26 pm
@ossobuco,
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It's true I'm very interested visual space, and once I cottoned on to the world of visual arts - painting, photography, architecture, landscape in many natural and built forms, my life became fuller. I'm a materialist at large.... I like materials...


It goes beyond that, osso. Even when you describe the colors of Katy's coat, or how it may swing like a petticoat, you stimulate my own visual senses and make me notice more in the world around me in a more nuanced manner.

And vonny posting the picture of the grape scissors reminded me of why I love objects like that so much and how they can elevate and enhance the ordinary. And she was then able to connect with what I was feeling and expressing in my post.

It's the way we can affect each others perceptions, and ways of viewing the world, and the connections we can find and make with each other, that make A2K appealing and really worthwhile for me, much more than all the opinions, on everything under the sun, that get posted on these threads. Opinions are often redundant, easily forgettable, and often easily dismissed, but having someone change how you view your world, or just helping to start that process, WOW, that's really something. And you're able to do that for me just by how you talk about and describe your dog.



vonny
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 03:31 pm
@ossobuco,
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we have different brains and that's good. I don't want a world with a billion me's.


I agree 100%. Well said Exclamation
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 04:19 pm
@firefly,
I hardly know what to say ff. One thing is for sure though and it is that a bloke could not have written that no matter how many Elton John songs he had listened to.

It is an authentic glimpse into the heart of the refined lady of the Christian era. A confession. Men should beware of indulging such delicate aesthetic tastes on credit. A bankrupt man is insignificant but a lady of renowned beauty easily makes a fresh start.

It is to Veblen what anti-matter is to matter. It is where science becomes redundant.

There are a number of approaches to the delightful essay; which can only be faulted for being too brief, but the one that seems most adequate for the case is to suggest touching it up, lengthening it and submitting it to the editoress of one of those magazines which regularly advertises the sort of items which are mentioned, or any others which might spring to mind after the advertising manageress performs her natural functions, and which can easily and seamlessly be woven in to the glistening composition.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 04:36 pm
@firefly,
dont mean to sound like a "moatie" but my wife and I both collect antiques. However, our tastes go back a few centuries into what we in the US term "primitive". These include painted blanket chests of the Pa Germans , pewter (real, honest to god , deadly toxic pewter), and furniture of the Philadelphia pre colonial ideal.
I think where I fall off the wagon is in being totally indifferent to what is "Victorian or Edwardian". Too damn gingerbready. Ithink thats where the single purpose service came to fruition in design and daily use by upper classes in Europe.
When the ARts n Crafts movement began in ENgland with Pugin style and MAcintosh , we were once again interested . US then took the Art Noveau styles of Macintosh and converted it to a style that celebrated actual hand workmanship, not frills. That we love a lot.
The pottery ideal that sprung from that was totally utilitarian with neat design elements.

I love talking antiques and what we all love differently. thats why there is vanilla and pistachio.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 04:36 pm
@firefly,
I think I've always kept ahold of some, many, visual memories, which were something I was seeing in the first place. I thought everyone was like me in that. I did get that some people were better at many things than I was, but I didn't get that people saw differently - a different kind of tuning in - until I studied landscape architecture/urban design starting when I was forty. I took to it like a knowledge thirsty kid reaching for - I don't know, a world of puzzles and pleasures. But part of that was learning trees, their forms, their special beauties; to see how building spaces worked inside and out, how people acted in spaces, how spaces made me feel and the whys of that (thus my thing about piazzas about eight years later). I'm just always or almost always looking, if I'm awake, including in grocery stores, which have their own kind of beauty. And I found many other people didn't really look around that much, and I could annoy them by commenting on this and that and that and that, so that I somewhat curb that tendency depending on different people's ways.

Oh, and I'm pretty verbal. (shut her up, would ya)

One of the many reasons I like farmerman is his extremely wide ranging view of the beauty of life.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 04:48 pm
@ossobuco,
My biggest problem is that I often seem to sound like that, if I am indifferent to a design or asthetic element, that I dont appreciate it. Thats not so. Ive spent hours learning about chasing silver and gilt and hand decoration of metal work. I spent several weeks learning blacksmithing and how to forge iron into utilitarian items and how to repair pewter. This adds an element of familiariy whenever I run into a piece that we are deciding whether or not to purchase.
The appreciationof the workmanship needed to accomplish a design is a bit different however from appreciating the overall design and embracing its purpose.

I know a guy who collects Baltimore oyster cans. Apparently there were hundreds of oyster caners in the Chesapaeake region into the early 20th century. The designs on the cans are often funny, nostalgic and sometimes just silly. However, theres a trade out there for these cans that can send their worth into the thousands of dollars each.
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 05:01 pm
@farmerman,

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When the ARts n Crafts movement began in ENgland with Pugin style and MAcintosh


Morris.

hey check this gem

http://www.wattsgallery.org.uk/watts-chapel
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 05:16 pm
@McTag,
UGIN started it, cmon I aint backin down from that point. Esperts have fought this over for tens of years and Pugin wins (hes waay earlier and is the father of the A&T of the WORLD. MAcintosh was my fav as the transition from Art Nouveau to a Green And Green style of Arts and Crafts(Renee Mackintosh began the addition of jeweled highlights to pieces of furniture and wall design).
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 05:19 pm
@farmerman,
I count workmanship in with beauty; at least sometimes they go hand in hand.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 05:25 pm
@ossobuco,
oh yeh. I love the detail of the dovetail and the splined joint or tenons and pegs. I saw a piece of cmplicated Stickley where the entire thing was only held together with 4 pegs


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Heres a quote about the origin of Arts n Crafts movement form Apperly et al



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Arts and Craft - A Style Definition
A movement which developed in the second half of the 19th century, in opposition to industrialization and associated social changes. The idea spread after the Great Exhibition of 1851, which had supposedly shown off in London the best craftsmanship of the day, but it had earlier roots in the emphasis which Jean-Jacques Rousseau had placed on craftsmanship in the 18th century and on the medievalism of Gothic revivalists like Pugin in the early 19th century. It was articulated in the writings of Ruskin, whose belief in the moral qualities of art led him to oppose machine production, and who believed in the ultimate inspiration of nature, rather than the rehashed historicism of the period. It was exemplified by the design work of William Morris, through his firm Morris, Marshall, Faulkner and Co., established in 1861. He employed artists such as Burne Jones and produced many designs himself, notably for wallpaper, textiles and stained glass, in which natural inspiration and truth to materials are the paramount considerations. The movement also inspired a generation of architects, led by Webb (who designed the Red House for Morris), Shaw, Ashbee and Voysey, who used vernacular architecture and traditional materials without resorting to the overt period style of the Queen Anne Movement.

The Arts and Crafts Movement had a strong socialist streak, seen in Morris's own writings (e.g. News from Nowhere, 1891) and in the numerous attempts to educate the masses (e.g. Ashbee's Guild and School of Arts and Crafts established in 1888). But the politics was always tempered by a nostalgia for the Middle Ages with their craftsmanship, guilds and religious endeavour. The movement organized exhibitions from 1888, but by then was already being superseded by the development of Art Nouveau which shared similar ideas but with a more contemporary outlook. However, its ideal lingered and is apparent in Gropius' Bauhaus manifesto.

As its name implies, the style was concerned with the integration of art into everyday life through the medium of craftsmanship. There is a strong flavour of morality, with stress on the truthful use of materials and the honest expression of function. Arts and Crafts buildings are unpretentious and informal, evoking an atmosphere of comfortable familiarity.
In nineteenth-century England, the moral attitudes to architecture and design preached by A. W. N. Pugin and John Ruskin were put into practice by William Morris, father of the Arts and Crafts movement. Dismayed by the effects of the Industrial Revolution and inspired by Ruskin’s writings on ‘The Nature of Gothic’, Morris tried to put art into a broadly based social context through the reestablishment of handicraft methods reminiscent of a rural, pre-industrial age. C. F. A. Voysey and Philip Webb were important Arts and Crafts architects in England. In the United States, Gustav Stickley promoted the ‘Craftsman’ image in architecture, interior design and furniture.
In Australia, Federation Arts and Crafts architecture exhibits qualities similar to those of the overseas models from which it drew inspiration. Buildings in this style are domestic in scale and make free use of traditional (usually English) vernacular motifs to achieve an unassuming, homely, well-established character. Designers aimed for informality in planning, massing, fenestration and landscaping. The roof is a dominant element, featuring gables (with barges or parapets) and/or hips of medium to steep pitch and prominent eaves. Tall, tapering chimneys, battered wall- buttresses and bay windows are characteristic elements of the style. Pebbledash stucco (roughcast) was commonly used as an exterior wall finish, together with other materials having earthy, ‘natural’ colours and textures. Interiors frequently display timber panelling and sturdy ceiling beams. Touches of Art Nouveau detail are common, both externally and internally.

Quoted from:
"A Pictorial Guide to Identifying Austrlian Architecture; Styles and Terms from 1788 to the Present"
RICHARD APPERLY, ROBERT IRVING, PETER REYNOLDS. PHOTOGRAPHS BY SOLOMON MITCHELL.
Angus & Robertson Sydney 1995 ISBN 0207 18562 X
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 05:50 pm
@farmerman,
You just didn't understand ff's essay fm. You're a fundie misogynist.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 06:17 pm
@McTag,
The Watts chapel is an extraordinary piece of work. I love the way the Art Nouveau and the Celtic revival blend so well.
Where is this at (My next trip to UK and Nederland will be in 2014 ). Weve got to go see th Watts Chapel
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 06:24 pm
@farmerman,
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The Watts chapel is an extraordinary piece of work.


It might be a good idea fm if you explained what you mean instead of simply associating yourself with things arty-farty. If you think anything man made is extraordinary you must have a weird sense of priorities.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 06:33 pm
@spendius,
If you are open to admiring beauty, then you wouldnt have to pose such an obtuse statement.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 06:38 pm
@farmerman,
It's not easy being spendius.

I did like the Watts chapel btw.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 06:49 pm
@McTag,
I'd never heard of this chapel. Thanks for the introduction. Good story/influences, besides the beauty. I'm not saying that right - the influences are part of the chapel thus the beauty, which I have often said I see as 'fit'.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 08:44 pm
@McTag,
Wow! Wish I had known about this before.
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2013 02:04 am
@spendius,
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Men should beware of indulging such delicate aesthetic tastes on credit. A bankrupt man is insignificant but a lady of renowned beauty easily makes a fresh start.

It is to Veblen what anti-matter is to matter. It is where science becomes redundant.

I agree!
We've been sold a bill of goods.
The reality/fiction/fantasy lines now nearly evaporated.
We know what we want.
Who cares how it comes to be, or whether it even exists?
http://jnbake01.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/17-adbusters.jpg
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