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How can something come from nothing?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2021 06:44 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

No! I don’t see anything wrong there, it is all exactly as I have said, you are unconcerned and uncommitted on the subject at issue. You admit that you don’t know if any God exists, but then you admit that you don’t know if any God does not exist.

You see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist, nor do you see any reason to suspect that the existence of any god is needed to explain existence. You don’t see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not, in other words, you are uncommitted on the subject.

You go on to say; “When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'. And then, you go on to reveal your total mental confusion, by even doubting that the entity or entities, that you referred to as god or gods. actually exist.

So, like I said, you know nothing on the subject, where as I know, according to scientific evidence, that energy is eternal, having neither beginning or end, and that it, and it alone has become this universe and all the life forms in the universe which is the eternal energy, and all the information gathered by the lifeforms that the eternal is, are stored in the ‘GREAT THOUGHT’ that is it, which is all that exists.

So, you see, I have a reason to believe that a God exists, who is all that exists and is in all that exists.



Nice attempt to divert. Too bad it is such a colossal failure.

The reason I wrote what I wrote...and which you agreed was in order, was your comments: "What you are saying is that the greatest scientific minds of today, haven't got a clue as to what they are saying, and are only making guess's. And you don't know anything one way or another do you old mate, because you, as a self confessed agnostic, are unconcerned and uncommitted on any subject at issue."

There is nothing in there that says the greatest scientific minds of today do not have a clue as to what they are saying...nor that they are just making guesses. (Although what science often does is to make guesses...and then test those guesses, unlike the religious crazies who often make guesses, and then go to war to kill people who disagree with those guesses.)

Yes, I do not know if gods exist or not...but to say that means I am unconcerned on the issue is absurd. I AM concerned and interested, which accounts for the many decades of debate in which I have engaged on the issue...and the many, many essays I have written on the issues.

In any case, since the research of the greatest scientific minds that have ever existed seem to persuade you there has to be "an entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'"...what is there about the research of the greatest scientific minds that have ever existed that informs you that it is just ONE ENTITY...and that the nature of THE ONE ENTITY...is described in "scriptures?"

Why must the entity or entities responsible...be that disgusting creature described in those "scriptures" you are trying to sell?

Tell us that.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2021 06:48 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

What I meant about me and Franks reaching a full asymptote is based on me not knowing whether a god or gods exist but I feel that the scientific evidence is quite strong in at least pointing to the negative,


We have disagreed on lots during the last 20+ years, FM...particularly on this subject. But I can understand your position a lot better than that of this guy...who seems to want to sell the idea that he is specially informed on the issue.

In any case, I appreciate your input. Your side of the issue is another area altogether...and as you can see I am focused on this guy's "arguments" right now. He doesn't hold up his side as well as you defend yours...that's for sure.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2021 08:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
, I do not know if gods exist or not...but to say that means I am unconcerned on the issue is absurd. I AM concerned and interested, which accounts for the many decades of debate in which I have engaged on the issue...

That sounds like a sound attitude to take.
But I still wonder why I am an exception.
Am I Your kryptonite.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2021 09:04 am
@The Anointed,
Quote:
Science is beginning to now believe that which our ancestors knew thousands of years ago, and that is, that we live in an eternal oscillating universe.

Not sure where you are coming from here. There are always fringe theorists in science, but today the consensus is that the Big bang is fact and that it is a one shot deal that ends in Entropy, i.e., heat death of the universe as all its energy being scattered infinitely thin.

This finding was initially resisted violently by most scientists, some of whom admitted that it too closely resembled the Biblical Genesis story. It was they who favored your theory. If they are making a comeback, i haven't heard about it. Do you have a source for this?
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2021 07:10 pm
@Leadfoot,
Another universe may have preceded ours study finds. May 14th, 2006. Courtesy Penn State University and World Science staff.

Three physicists say they have done calculations suggesting that before the birth of our universe, which is expanding, there was an earlier universe that was shrinking. To arrive at their pre-existing universe finding, Ashtekar’s group used loop quantum gravity, a theory that seeks to reconcile General relativity with quantum physics.

These two seemingly fundamental theories are otherwise contradictory in some ways. Loop quantum gravity, which was pioneered at Ashtekar’s institute, proposes that spacetime has a discrete “atomic” structure, as opposed to being a continuous sheet, as Einstein, along with most us, assumed. In loop quantum gravity, space is thought of as woven from one-dimensional “threads.” The continuum picture remains mostly valid as an approximation. But near the Big Bang, this fabric is violently torn so that it’s discrete, or quantum, nature becomes important. One outcome of this is that gravity becomes repulsive instead of attractive, Ashetkar argued; the result is the Big Bounce.

Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University, a cosmologist who has explored some related concepts, wrote in an email that the new research “Supports, in a general way, the idea that the Big Bang need not be the beginning of space and time.” The universe “may have undergone one or more bangs in its past history,” he added. Steinhardt and colleagues have also proposed a bounce of sorts, but it’s different. It could turn out that the two scenarios are equivalent at some deep level, but that’s not known, he added. Steinhardt‘s scenario makes use of string theory, another attempt to reconcile General Relativity with quantum physics. Some versions of string theory portray our visible universe as a three -dimensional space embedded in an invisible space having more dimensions.

Our zone, called a braneworld [the word comes from its similarity to a sort of membrane] could periodically bounce into another parallel braneworld. Such an event might look to us, stuck in a few dimensions as we are, as a Big Bang. “I don’t know if Ashetkar’s case translates into a bounce between braneworlds like we are describing,” Steinhardt wrote. But by his estimate, this cataclysm won’t take place for another roughly 300 billion years—so there is hopefully plenty of time to answer the question.

Just as the Big Bang theory has been evolving over the years and is continuing to evolve as new data becomes available, these big Crunch theories that are just beginning to emerge are still in their infancy.

Because three-dimensional time as we know it, does not exist prior to the Big Bang: from the return of the universe to the supposedly infinitely hot, infinitely dense and infinitesimally small singularity of origin to the next Big Bang when three dimensional space and time would begin again, it would appear that no time had elapsed, thus [As I believe] the erroneous Big Bounce theory.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2021 07:50 pm
@The Anointed,
Continued from my previous post.
Around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Milky Way Galaxy, orbits many other black holes, which were created from the collapse of Gigantic stars that had formed in the galaxy, or which were once at the centre of other lesser galactic bodies that have merged with ours.

There are perhaps twenty small galaxies that orbit the Milky Way, like moths around a flame.

The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way galaxy which orbits the central Super Black Hole to which those Magellanic Clouds are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy.

The earlier explanations as to a mysterious stream of Gas, which appeared to stretch from them to our galaxy, was the result of gravitational interaction between the two Magellanic clouds, and so, was thought to be coming from them. But researchers from the Leibniz institute for Astrophysics in Germany, taking into account, the best understanding of the diffuse hot Gas that our Milky Way, [Its Corona], couldn’t get that stream of Gas to form, so they came to the conclusion that they simply don’t understand the Milky way’s corona very well. But another possible explanation put forward by them, is that, rather than originating from the Magellanic Clouds, that stream of Gas could be coming from a different Galaxy altogether, which is being devoured, as it plunges into our Milky Way.

Only recently in 2020, scientists witnessed two events ten days apart, of Black Holes devouring neutron stars.

The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes, dying stars, and planets within this galaxy. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward the super gravitational anomaly that is called the ‘Great Attractor’. And even that which is called the ‘Great Attractor’ is flowing toward the Shapley Supercluster? Is there something at the core of the ever-growing Shapley Supercluster that is pulling all the galaxies in our particular section of this boundless cosmos to itself?

Or is it simply the gravitational attraction of the galaxies to each other that has caused the Shapley concentration to grow to the size it is today and continues to grow, as the other galactic clusters in our region are being gathered to it, while the more distant clusters appear to be accelerating away?

Today, we have absolute proof that black Holes do exist, much information regarding them remains to be gathered, which future information will hopefully open many windows to shine light on this subject of Black Holes, wormholes, also called Einstein-Rosen bridges and White Holes.

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of some three to four million suns, and if you think that’s a big black hole, consider this; “In December of 2019, astronomers announced the discovery of one of the biggest black holes ever measured in the nearby universe. That black hole is at the center of an elliptical galaxy in galaxy cluster Abel 85, and has been calculated to be 40 billion times the mass of our sun, which is equivalent to two-thirds the mass of the 100-billion stars in the Milky Way and is roughly the size of our entire solar system.”

Our Milky Way and the nearby Andromeda Galaxy, which are two spiral galaxies are on a collision course, and when these two spiral galaxies collide, they can merge and form an elliptical galaxy, which elliptical galaxies can collide and merge again to form an even larger elliptical galaxy.

The central Black holes of those elliptical galaxies also merge and combine to make one massive Black Hole, and those Massive galaxies, which are called ‘core galaxies’ are believed to be the main attractive force at the center of galactic clusters, which clusters are being attracted to a super Duper gravitational anomaly within the Shapley Super Cluster, which is the largest concentration of galaxies in our nearby universe that forms a gravitational anomaly that is pulling itself together instead of expanding with the universe.

It is believed that pairs of spiral galaxies form elliptical galaxies, pairs of those elliptical galaxies form cored elliptical galaxies, and a pair of cored galaxies formed Holmberg 15A, and that this series of mergers also created the ultra-massive black hole in its center, a monster nearly as big as our solar system with the mass of around 40 billion suns.

When will this process end? Will there eventually end up being only one super galaxy orbiting an immeasurable monstrous Black Hole wherein the centre of which, will be crushed all our known universe into the singularity from which our universe began, where the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite? Are we looking at an eternal oscillating universe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Attractor#:~:text=The%20Great%20Attractor%20is%20an%20apparent%20gravitational%20anomaly,the%20obscuring%20effects%20of%20our%20own%20galactic%20plane.

The Norma Cluster is a massive cluster of galaxies containing a preponderance of large, old galaxies, many of which are colliding with their neighbours and radiating large amounts of radio waves.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2021 06:35 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


Continued from my previous post.
Around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Milky Way Galaxy, orbits many other black holes, which were created from the collapse of Gigantic stars that had formed in the galaxy, or which were once at the centre of other lesser galactic bodies that have merged with ours.

There are perhaps twenty small galaxies that orbit the Milky Way, like moths around a flame.

The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way galaxy which orbits the central Super Black Hole to which those Magellanic Clouds are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy.

The earlier explanations as to a mysterious stream of Gas, which appeared to stretch from them to our galaxy, was the result of gravitational interaction between the two Magellanic clouds, and so, was thought to be coming from them. But researchers from the Leibniz institute for Astrophysics in Germany, taking into account, the best understanding of the diffuse hot Gas that our Milky Way, [Its Corona], couldn’t get that stream of Gas to form, so they came to the conclusion that they simply don’t understand the Milky way’s corona very well. But another possible explanation put forward by them, is that, rather than originating from the Magellanic Clouds, that stream of Gas could be coming from a different Galaxy altogether, which is being devoured, as it plunges into our Milky Way.

Only recently in 2020, scientists witnessed two events ten days apart, of Black Holes devouring neutron stars.

The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes, dying stars, and planets within this galaxy. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward the super gravitational anomaly that is called the ‘Great Attractor’. And even that which is called the ‘Great Attractor’ is flowing toward the Shapley Supercluster? Is there something at the core of the ever-growing Shapley Supercluster that is pulling all the galaxies in our particular section of this boundless cosmos to itself?

Or is it simply the gravitational attraction of the galaxies to each other that has caused the Shapley concentration to grow to the size it is today and continues to grow, as the other galactic clusters in our region are being gathered to it, while the more distant clusters appear to be accelerating away?

Today, we have absolute proof that black Holes do exist, much information regarding them remains to be gathered, which future information will hopefully open many windows to shine light on this subject of Black Holes, wormholes, also called Einstein-Rosen bridges and White Holes.

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of some three to four million suns, and if you think that’s a big black hole, consider this; “In December of 2019, astronomers announced the discovery of one of the biggest black holes ever measured in the nearby universe. That black hole is at the center of an elliptical galaxy in galaxy cluster Abel 85, and has been calculated to be 40 billion times the mass of our sun, which is equivalent to two-thirds the mass of the 100-billion stars in the Milky Way and is roughly the size of our entire solar system.”

Our Milky Way and the nearby Andromeda Galaxy, which are two spiral galaxies are on a collision course, and when these two spiral galaxies collide, they can merge and form an elliptical galaxy, which elliptical galaxies can collide and merge again to form an even larger elliptical galaxy.

The central Black holes of those elliptical galaxies also merge and combine to make one massive Black Hole, and those Massive galaxies, which are called ‘core galaxies’ are believed to be the main attractive force at the center of galactic clusters, which clusters are being attracted to a super Duper gravitational anomaly within the Shapley Super Cluster, which is the largest concentration of galaxies in our nearby universe that forms a gravitational anomaly that is pulling itself together instead of expanding with the universe.

It is believed that pairs of spiral galaxies form elliptical galaxies, pairs of those elliptical galaxies form cored elliptical galaxies, and a pair of cored galaxies formed Holmberg 15A, and that this series of mergers also created the ultra-massive black hole in its center, a monster nearly as big as our solar system with the mass of around 40 billion suns.

When will this process end? Will there eventually end up being only one super galaxy orbiting an immeasurable monstrous Black Hole wherein the centre of which, will be crushed all our known universe into the singularity from which our universe began, where the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite? Are we looking at an eternal oscillating universe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Attractor#:~:text=The%20Great%20Attractor%20is%20an%20apparent%20gravitational%20anomaly,the%20obscuring%20effects%20of%20our%20own%20galactic%20plane.

The Norma Cluster is a massive cluster of galaxies containing a preponderance of large, old galaxies, many of which are colliding with their neighbours and radiating large amounts of radio waves.



As I guessed...just more bullshit...rather than answering that final question in my last post.

The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2021 05:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Nah mate, all scientific evidence on how our universe is evolving, which is way beyond the ability of the agnostics who are unconcerned and uncommitted on any subject at issue, to even begin to comprehend.

Why do you continue to reveal to the world just how ignorant you are to 'ANY'
given subject?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 02:22 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

Nah mate, all scientific evidence on how our universe is evolving, which is way beyond the ability of the agnostics who are unconcerned and uncommitted on any subject at issue, to even begin to comprehend.

Why do you continue to reveal to the world just how ignorant you are to 'ANY'
given subject?


Still won't answer the question as usual, you phony.

And agnostics are not unconcerned and uncommitted on any subject at issue.

But for phonies like you...I guess that is the best that you've got.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/ac/04/03ac04faabd830c2efe1328b8bff7f11.gif
The Anointed
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 07:39 am
@Frank Apisa,
Oh, alright, seeing as I don't have a dummy for it to suck on, I will have to pacify the child by answering its last question, which was; "Why must the entity or entities responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe, be what you, in your disgusting atheist tongue, call; "that disgusting creature described in those "scriptures."

And the answer is, because the entity-entities that the greatest scientific minds that have ever existed claim are responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe, is one and the same as explained in the scriptures, "And Now let 'US' make man in 'OUR' image.

And we call that androgynous creator 'GOD'.

Suck on that kiddo, you're on the wrong team.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2021 11:34 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


Oh, alright, seeing as I don't have a dummy for it to suck on, I will have to pacify the child by answering its last question, which was; "Why must the entity or entities responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe, be what you, in your disgusting atheist tongue, call; "that disgusting creature described in those "scriptures."

And the answer is, because the entity-entities that the greatest scientific minds that have ever existed claim are responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe, is one and the same as explained in the scriptures, "And Now let 'US' make man in 'OUR' image.



Suck on that kiddo, you're on the wrong team.


So...you blindly guess that there is a single god...and you further blindly guess that the god you blindly guess exists...is described in what you call "scripture."

And you consider that to be some sort of intellectual victory???

Quote:
And we call that androgynous creator 'GOD'.


Anyone with a functioning brain would call it, "Something we do not know."

But, of course, that would exclude you, so...I understand.

Keep at it. You are doing a bang-up job for our side.

If you didn't exist, I would try to invent you.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2021 09:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
No blind guesses there bubby, oh I meant to write buddy, but bubby will do. Science has proved that the singularity of origin is still that singular oneness that has become the universe and all within, including all the information that the singularity has gained, through the senses of all the life forms that the singularity has become in this period of universal activity.

And He is the divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from who all being originates and to who all being must return at the close of each period of universal activity.

Following each expansion. there is a contraction. Now you go and lie down and rest that 'little' head of yours.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2021 04:31 am
@The Anointed,
You as almost everybody don't understand nor have a firm grasp on the concept of what a Mind really is...
if you did you would clearly abandon your belief in the Abrahamic classic concept of God.

A COMPLETE eternal anything has the origin of all phenomena has no need for troubleshooting problems. All relation of cause and effect is abandoned as it doesn't make sense. It doesn't need to think, talk, debate, enquire, wonder, feel! Nada, Niente, Zilch!

Minds are by DEFINITION problem solvers and in order for facing epistemic dilemmas equally by DEFINITION they are INCOMPLETE and have boundaries!

This is a very simple cut clear straight forward statement that only a self deluded hypocrite or a retarded would dare to ignore in private. I don't give a **** on what people have to say publicly. That is politics and chess power games!
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2021 05:00 am
@The Anointed,
All sciences are related/interconnected and therefore need to work together.

One needs to relate expansion and contraction to consciousness types experienced.....i.e. manual/autopilot.

This "Toggling" observed in the cosmos and experienced within the mind is termed "prisoner of consciousness" in the new era of science.

There are correlations surprisingly.

Modern day science needs to take consciousness types seriously.
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2021 05:21 am
@Albuquerque,
And what do you believe is the Abrahamic classic concept of God?

According to science there is only one thing that cannot be created nor ever be destroyed, 'MEANING' it is eternal with neither beginning or end, and that one thing is the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the trillions upon trillions of degrees when the singularity of origin was spatially separated in the event that is called 'The Big Bang', which was the beginning of the expanding space, there was nothing at the instant of 'The Big Bang' other than that eternal energy and it has become everything in existence, and every life form it has become, are merely information gathers for "THE GREAT never ending evolving eternal THOUGHT."

Excerpts from the link provided.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nothing-solid-everything-energy-scientists-explain-world-djurisic

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists have revealed that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observe the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of “INVISIBLE ENERGY”, not tangible matter.

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like "A GREAT THOUGHT" than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

Jeremiah 23: 23-24; “I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see him. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth? He has eyes and ears everywhere throughout the universe that is he.

Every living thing within this apparent boundless cosmos, are merely information gatherers for the eternal energy which manifests itself as this living universe and is all that exists and is, ’The Great Thought,’ the collective consciousness of all that exists.

At any given point in time, you are no more than inches away from a spider, fly, ant, or any other of the many information gatherers of the eternal, who is all that exists.

You are no more than a speck of dust in the GREAT ever evolving mind, which is the same today as it was yesterday and into the everlasting. It is the only constant in the fact that it is constantly evolving from everlasting to everlasting. The only mind that has ceased to evolve, is the mind that has ceased to exist,


Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2021 05:32 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

No blind guesses there bubby, oh I meant to write buddy, but bubby will do. Science has proved that the singularity of origin is still that singular oneness that has become the universe and all within, including all the information that the singularity has gained, through the senses of all the life forms that the singularity has become in this period of universal activity.

And He is the divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from who all being originates and to who all being must return at the close of each period of universal activity.

Following each expansion. there is a contraction. Now you go and lie down and rest that 'little' head of yours.


The **** you spew about your god and its nature is nothing but blind guesses. But you do not have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that they are nothing but blind guesses.

But...you are useful to the non-theistic cause...so thank you despite your low ethical standards.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2021 05:34 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:


And what do you believe is the Abrahamic classic concept of God?

According to science there is only one thing that cannot be created nor ever be destroyed, 'MEANING' it is eternal with neither beginning or end, and that one thing is the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the trillions upon trillions of degrees when the singularity of origin was spatially separated in the event that is called 'The Big Bang', which was the beginning of the expanding space, there was nothing at the instant of 'The Big Bang' other than that eternal energy and it has become everything in existence, and every life form it has become, are merely information gathers for "THE GREAT never ending evolving eternal THOUGHT."

Excerpts from the link provided.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nothing-solid-everything-energy-scientists-explain-world-djurisic

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists have revealed that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observe the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of “INVISIBLE ENERGY”, not tangible matter.

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like "A GREAT THOUGHT" than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

Jeremiah 23: 23-24; “I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see him. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth? He has eyes and ears everywhere throughout the universe that is he.

Every living thing within this apparent boundless cosmos, are merely information gatherers for the eternal energy which manifests itself as this living universe and is all that exists and is, ’The Great Thought,’ the collective consciousness of all that exists.

At any given point in time, you are no more than inches away from a spider, fly, ant, or any other of the many information gatherers of the eternal, who is all that exists.

You are no more than a speck of dust in the GREAT ever evolving mind, which is the same today as it was yesterday and into the everlasting. It is the only constant in the fact that it is constantly evolving from everlasting to everlasting. The only mind that has ceased to evolve, is the mind that has ceased to exist,


Your mind may be everlasting, but it has definitely ceased to function properly.

You should have taken better care of it.
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Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2021 05:11 pm
@The Anointed,
Since you totally decided to bypass the central tenet of the argument I assume you are not really interested in debating the biggest problems in Theology.
Problems which by the way are debated within the intellectuals in church itself on all the great traditions of the three Abrahamic Religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islamism.

While I am at it it suffices to say that a simple contingent "demi-god" would trump your wildest cognitive capacity so violently that it would scare the **** out of you...and those can and probably statistically exist...

Finally a last note, when it comes to contingent beings size doesn't matter.
The point being that ALL thinking beings are by definition contingent and thus have epistemic limits such that they feel the need to troubleshoot/compute problems within their operational boundaries! In sum as Victor Hugo would submit they all are in one way or another Miserable!

PS - In a MIND it is the limitation that brings the need for thought not the lack of limitation.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2021 10:19 pm
@Albuquerque,
Anyone who speaks truthfully, is simply expressing the information that has been gathered into its brain through the senses of its body.

A child, in whose body is the gathered information/spirit of its ancestors back to the first life form that crawled out of the primordial waters, in its evolution to become that body, wherein, behind the veil of the flesh within the inner most sanctuary of their tabernacle = their earthly tent, dwells that child's ancestral spirit, if that body were born without the senses of sight, hearing, smell. taste, touch=nerve ends, etc, no information whatsoever could be taken into that bodies brain and it would soon die, never having developed a person/godhead, a 'MIND" to control that body.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 4 Aug, 2021 11:49 pm
@The Anointed,
"Speaking truthfully" has cost me many things in life including some false friendships...

I gather you love minds a lot...I don't think ID is behind anything, at least not ultimately and I can give you the hardest best example...assuming your God was true did he chose his own properties? No!!!

So make of it truthfully whatever you want or can!
 

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