How can something come from nothing?

Now piggy knows more about foreign culture / history. Thank you. Sincerely.

(Sometimes piggy actually tries to help those “prisoner of consciousness” complete their theory. So, the piggy should not be considered as “heretical”. haha)

Nah, little piggy is not an heretic, it's just another atheist living its life of hopelessness, believing that it 'THE MIND', the invisible spirit that is developing within that body will cease to exist with the death of that body.

What a rude awakening it's in for when it wakes as a disembodied spirit, not knowing where it is, why it is there, what is going to happen to it, ect. But as the disembodied mind receives that which it believes, it will eventually die.

Enjoy the rest of your disconnected life piggy, I'll leave you to return and wallow in the pit of your ignorance.

If god had not wanted me to be an atheist he would not have made me one.

You are what you choose to be. Those who refuse to look, will find nothing but death before them.

Those who believe in an afterlife will find themselves all dressed up and no place to go.

Atheism does have the advantage of always getting what you expect.

Even Christianity says not everyone who invokes the name of Jesus will.

What is the reward that a mind receives?
Surely it is, what that mind believes
So the mind that rejects eternity
When freed from its body, where will it be?

What is that body, which gave to you Birth?
Is it nothing but elements taken from earth?
Or was it created from the spirits and soul
Of your ancestral parents, from times that is old?

Believe as you will, but remember this verse
When your coffin is placed in the back of the hearse
The reward that the mind must surely receive
Is that which the mind, (Not in the Hearse) believes.

I can live with that.

hate to tell hou this, but no matter ypour faith, there is nothing to look forward to but death. ain't no pearly gates anywhere up there, just mRS AND JUPTER AND THEY AIN'T NO HEAVENS.

“…where he witnessed the universe burn up and fall as massive columns of fire, beyond all measure in height and depth into the GREAT ABYSS, (Black Hole) which is described by Enoch, as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, (The entire universe) beyond which, there was nothing.”

The term “Black Hole” in the quoted paragraph should be a “note” by someone else? The original term in the Scripture should be GREAT ABYSS?

Nowadays, science has made it very clear that a “Black Hole” can be generated by the collapse of a single large star.

But take a look at what Enoch described CAREFULLY: the prison of “all the stars” and the host of “heaven”. It meant the whole cosmos.
So, GREAT ABYSS = SINGULARITY.
(The mainstream confused the core of black hole with singularity. It’s not strange. Only in the new era of PRESENCE – SELF, resorting to physical model and the mass – space equation, this subtle difference can be demonstrated.Of course, singularity can be considered as the ultimate black hole, it’s no wrong too. )

“(The entire universe) beyond which, there was nothing.”
In piggy’s theory, cosmos is closed. If it collapses, there will be nothing beyond the SINGULARITY.

What Enoch described is entirely in conformity with piggy’s theory. So, why must piggy be an “atheist”? Half of it, okay?

The term “Black Hole” in the quoted paragraph. Is placed in brackets, which denotes that it is an interpolation to explain, what the GREAT ABYSS, the original term in the Scripture, was seen as before the more modern term “Black Hole” came into vogue.

The gravitational collapse of a single star such as the minor star of our solar system, can only form a White Dwarf, our sun will eventually burn up all its lighter elements and move on to the heavier material and blow out as a Red Giant, when this happens, it will expand outward and get so large that the orbit of the earth will actually be inside the sun, and the earth’s crust will be melted into an ocean of lava.

Eventually, there will be nothing there to burn and all that will be left of our sun will be a compact White dwarf of carbon and oxygen about the size of today’s earth, and a thimble full of material from the White Dwarf would weigh anything up to a ton.

Nowadays, science has made it very clear that a neutron star is what is left over when a ‘VERY HEAVY’ star explodes. This explosion is called a Supernova, the gravitational collapse of those bigger stars, create a fast spinning body no bigger than the earth, which is so dense that even a thimble full of their material, would weigh anything up to about 100 million tons.

Atoms have a certain weight, but the weight is almost all in the nucleus. The nucleus inside an atom is so small that if you made a model of an atom that was the size of a large house, the nucleus would still only be the size of a grain of salt. An atom, apart from its nucleus, is almost all space.

In a neutron star, all of the atoms have been crushed together so tightly by the force of gravity that their nuclei are touching. If you can imagine the amount of space needed for a billion large houses to occupy, then reduce that to the space needed to house a billion grains of salt, which still weigh almost the same as the billion houses, then you have some idea as to what a neutron star is. But unlike a Black Hole, from which nothing can escape, rotating neutron stars do radiate pulses of energy and are also called ‘Pulsars.’

A neutron star is the collapsed core of a massive supergiant star, which had a total mass of between 10 and 25 solar masses, and as a point of interest, in 2020, scientists, claimed to have witnessed two separate events only ten days apart, of a black Hole devouring a neutron star.

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of some three to four million suns, and if you think that’s a big black hole, consider this; “In December of 2019, astronomers announced the discovery of one of the biggest black holes ever measured in the nearby universe. That black hole is at the center of an elliptical galaxy in galaxy cluster Abel 85, and has been calculated to be 40 billion times the mass of our sun, which is equivalent to two-thirds the mass of the 100-billion stars in the Milky Way and is roughly the size of our entire solar system.”

Our Milky Way and the nearby Andromeda Galaxy, which are two spiral galaxies are on a collision course, and when these two spiral galaxies collide, they can merge and form an elliptical galaxy, which elliptical galaxies can collide and merge again to form an even larger elliptical galaxy.

The central Black holes of those elliptical galaxies also merge and combine to make one massive Black Hole, and those Massive galaxies, which are called ‘core galaxies’ are believed to be the main attractive force at the center of galactic clusters, which clusters are being attracted to a super Duper gravitational anomaly within the Shapley Super Cluster, which is the largest concentration of galaxies in our nearby universe that forms a gravitational anomaly that is pulling itself together instead of expanding with the universe, while other galactic clusters are receding from us and will disappear beyond the Cosmic horizon, where they are believed to accelerate away from our gathering point beyond the speed of light.

The light from those receding galaxies, will never reach us, and would not have been seen by Enoch as he witnessed our galactic cluster (Universe) fall as fire into the 'BLACK HOLE' (Great Abyss).

It is believed that pairs of spiral galaxies form elliptical galaxies, pairs of those elliptical galaxies form cored elliptical galaxies, and a pair of cored galaxies formed Holmberg 15A, and that this series of mergers also created the ultra-massive black hole in its center, a monster nearly as big as our solar system with the mass of around 40 billion suns.

When will this process end? Will there eventually end up being only one super galaxy orbiting an immeasurable monstrous Black Hole (Great Abyss) wherein the centre of which, will be crushed all our known universe into the singularity from which our universe began, where the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite? Is this what Enoch was describing, when he witnessed the universe disappear. Are we looking at an eternal oscillating universe?

How many universes are out there in their own positions in Spacetime?

htam9876 wrote ..... What Enoch described is entirely in conformity with piggy’s theory. So, why must piggy be an “atheist”? Half of it, okay?

The Anointed responds ..... Ask the little piggy if he believes that all the information that is gathered in each generation of the universe, survives, after it descends into what appears to be "THE BOTTOMLESS PIT" (GREAT ABYSS) and will that information be resurrected in the next 'Big Bang"?

Nowadays, those standard “prisoner of consciousness” even can’t know how the conception of space – time comes from, what’s their basic physical property as well as the two fundamental natural systems. They are still “paradox” “confusing” “toggling” in some fundamental theories. How much can their so called “cosmology” know about?
G* bless them.

Cosmos can be fashion, passion and inflation, while physics must be step by step.
Amen.

You ask; "What is their physical property"?

Nothing in this universe has physical properties.

It has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists have revealed that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

https://deghys.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/nothing-is-solid-everything-is-energy-scientists-explain-the-world-of-quantum-physics/

Excerpts from the link supplied.

If you observe the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of “INVISIBLE ENERGY”, not tangible matter.

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this apparent material universe at the time of the Big Bang, was, according to the most popular theory of the creation of this universe, pure electromagnetic energy, which, In my Opinion, was spewed out of a WHITE HOLE, in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, or, according to scientific measurements (180 million trillion, trillion degrees Fahrenheit), which electromagnetic energy has been converted to that which we perceive as matter, only to be-reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch, when all will be ripped apart atom by atom, subatomic particle by subatomic particle, as the universal bodies fall as fire into the Great Abyss, or Black Hole that is connected to a White Hole at the end of an Einstein Rosen bridge that connects the two.

The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. If energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end. Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this apparent material universe at the time of the Big Bang, was pure electromagnetic energy, which, in my opinion was spewed out of a ‘WHITE HOLE,’ in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter, only to be re-converted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.
If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself, self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy, which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that ‘it,’ [The Eternal Energy] has become, the collective consciousness of all that it is.

Every living thing within this apparent boundless cosmos, are merely information gatherers for the eternal energy which manifests itself as this living universe and is all that exists and is, ’The Great Thought,’ the collective consciousness of all that exists. At any given point in time, you are no more than inches away from a spider, fly, ant, or any other of the many information gatherers of the eternal, who is all that exists.

Jeremiah 23: 23-24; “I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see him. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth? He has eyes and ears everywhere throughout the universe that is he.

Can’t you see that piggy is playing Relativity in one hand while playing QM in another hand? They can be INTERCONNETED in the pig’s MIND.
You seem just “another atheist living its life of hopelessness”. “Enjoy the rest of your disconnected life”.

Piggy thinks that Lord anointed Enoch was reasonable.
But who anointed you? Yourself?
Piggy’s humble opinion is that you have to change your username to be: the unanointed.
Haha. Too fun.

To be anointed is to be set apart. Many can be anointed by the spirit of the Lord to perform a certain mission, and the spirit by which I was anointed protects and guides me on the mission that has been set before me, to reveal the greatest deceivers of man, for what they are.

do you handle rattlesnakes and speak in tonguues too?
How do you say "KISS OFF" in Klingon??

Sure, like I said, I can live with that.

Gotta be careful with that one, Jack.

Your version is just as much a blind guess as the blind guess that there is a Heaven and Hell to deal with after physical death.

No way to tell.

Best, I think, to just leave it as one of the many unknowns, perhaps unknowable, things we humans have to ponder.

By golly ya gotta give the guy credit for consistency.

“INVISIBLE ENERGY”
Interesting term it is. If a photon travels in a circle, how can people see it?

“…to reveal the greatest deceivers of man”
You just revealed one: those so called “Quantum physicists”, who try to replace real physical meaning with math games and lead science to illusion.
The traditional QM is born illusive, because it set out from a “genius – rated” ASSUMPTION of Duc de Brogiel: “a released photon has wave characteristic, then, all micro particles should have wave characteristic too”. In philosophy it equals to “the father pig is a good swimmer, then, the little piggy should be a good swimmer too”. Gangster’s logic.

At Duc de Brogiel’s era, people weren’t yet AWARE of the (effect of) PRESENCE and SELF.
Relevant materials can be found in some of piggy’s threads. Piggy wouldn’t repeat them here.

Once upon a time, piggy drunk on the math games of those so called “Quantum physicists” too. Now piggy is AWARE and abandoned them.

Come back to the embrace of Lord, “stand before ‘MY’ face into eternit”.