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How can something come from nothing?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 04:36 pm
@Herald,
I'm only responding to your post about 'vacuum = nothing.' Your questions about other matters is not of any interest to me.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 08:53 pm
For example if you stand next to a massive object such as the Great Pyramid, it distorts space and makes time run slower for you compared to people further away.
So empty space is not empty at all but is made of bendy stretchy stuff called "spacetime"
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 09:31 pm
You people are talking about nothing at all.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 09:42 pm
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
You people are talking about nothing at all.
Please, sir. Save us from this treadmill and lead us to the light.
Herald
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 10:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm only responding to your post about 'vacuum = nothing.' Your questions about other matters is not of any interest to me.
     I haven't said that Vacuum=Nothing. Where did you see that? ... and how can you discuss the Vacuum away from its assumptions - environment and background structure (shape of the Universe, 'fabric' of the Universe, where does the energy come from ... and where does it go through the Black Holes, for example, etc.)
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Herald
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 10:40 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
For example if you stand next to a massive object such as the Great Pyramid, it distorts space and makes time run slower for you compared to people further away.
     You are just talking - do you have any evidences that the Great Pyramid slows down the Time to you (and accelerates the body metabolism - one and the same quantity of processes in less time; increases the pulse - one and the same number of heart beats in less time; accelerates the thinking - in delayed time you can process much more information for a given period of time, etc.). I doubt that you would ever be able to collect any physical evidences about such a statement.
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
So empty space is not empty at all but is made of bendy stretchy stuff called "spacetime"
     Time does not exist ... as a physical dimension. It is the same as to claim that the parallels & the meridians ... and the graphics of the Zodiac exist physically. Time exists only in the representation of the Universe (only in our understanding of the world) - for convenience and as metrics to represent a sequence of events. To claim that Time slows down near a huge mass is as if to claim that any process is accelerating because of that mass - what you are actually saying is that near fairly enough huge gravitation (like a black hole) light will travel much faster .. than the speed of light?!
     One of the greatest problems of the cosmology & the astrophysics is that every theory is separate, by itself, and does not comply with anything else.
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JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 10:50 pm
@neologist,
Stop talking and you'll 'be' there.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 11:18 pm
@JPLosman0711,
Not talking now.
Let 'er rip!
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 11:56 pm
@neologist,
Why should it be up to me to indicate your sanity? How's that my job?
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 12:03 am
@JPLosman0711,
You are the one speaking from authority. I'm just waiting to see if you have any idea what you are talking about.

JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 12:08 am
@neologist,
Quote:
You are the one speaking from authority. I'm just waiting to see if you have any idea what you are talking about.


That would be easily indicated through my typing and your 'listening', clearly I do otherwise you wouldn't have bothered replying.

The question you should be personally pondering is: why am I so threatened by someone I don't know who's merely tapping a keyboard?
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Herald
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 12:30 am
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
You people are talking about nothing at all.
      You obviously haven't understood the question of Neo: What is your definition of Nothing, then?
      I can say what I understand under Nothing:
     Def.: Something that is non-existent; not anything; not a thing - including without limiting to: no Space, no Time, no Fields, no quantum carriers of any Energy, no Gravitation, no Gravitational Continuum, no Time-Space Continuum, not anything that is even resembling any Continuum or includes that concept implicitly.
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 12:35 am
@Herald,
Quote:
You obviously haven't understood the question of Neo: What is your definition of Nothing, then?
I can say what I understand under Nothing:
Def.: Something that is non-existent; not anything; not a thing - including without limiting to: no Space, no Time, no Fields, no quantum carriers of any Energy, no Gravitation, nor Gravitational Continuum, no Time-Space continuum, not anything that is even resembling any Continuum or includes that concept implicitly.


Is it that obvious? Oh no, what shall I do.

My definition of 'nothing' is as follows: who you are is no 'thing', somewhere along the way no 'thing' became a 'thing' called 'nothing'. End of story.

Compare both of our definitions of 'nothing'.

The simplest answers are usually the most accurate.

(I'll refer you to Heidegger - "He who thinks great thoughts often makes great errors.")
Herald
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 12:41 am
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
My definition of 'nothing' is as follows: who you are is no 'thing', somewhere along the way no 'thing' became a 'thing' called 'nothing'. End of story.
     This is a great honor (that my insignificant reasoning is included in the definition of Nothing), but can't you get rid of the ad hominems in the first place and try to concentrate on the issue ... for example.
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 12:51 am
@Herald,
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This is a great honor (that my insignificant reasoning is included in the definition of Nothing), but can't you get rid of the ad hominems in the first place and try to concentrate on the issue ... for example.


It's a lot more simple than you think. 'Nothing' isn't some 'thing' you'd find within the world like a table, chair, cup, coffee mug, counter, people, wall, house, etc. etc.

Who you really are is no 'thing'.

Not a 'thing' called 'nothing'. (like a table, chair etc. etc.)
Herald
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 03:16 am
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
It's a lot more simple than you think.
     No, it is not that simple. Nothing includes also the absence of any Gravitational Continuums, Time-Space Continuums and any other mechanics and constructs, designed and intended to conceal the contradictions of a given unsustainable theory into the definition of incomprehensible concepts, the final goal of which is to deceive the public that those contradictions don't exist ... or are so negligibly tiny that they are actually insignificant to the issue. For further details see the Big Bang 'theory' ... and also the Evolution that can take out of the sleeve (out of nothing) any DNA sequence, so far it has enough time to do so.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 10:29 am
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:
(I'll refer you to Heidegger - "He who thinks great thoughts often makes great errors.")
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Wed 13 Aug, 2014 01:11 pm
Quote:
Romeo said: If you stand next to a massive object such as the Great Pyramid, it distorts space and makes time run slower for you.
Herald replied: You are just talking - do you have any evidences that the Great Pyramid slows down the Time..

I don't do "just talking" mate..Smile
Stephen Hawking says the Great Pyramids 40-million tons weight slows down time for people near it, so argue it out with him, not me!
Pick up his vid at 21:45 and watch it for a couple of minutes-

Herald
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2014 03:30 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Stephen Hawking says the Great Pyramids 40-million tons weight slows down time for people near it, so argue it out with him, not me!
     Are you kidding, I am not a a level to argue with S.H., but I can argue with you. If you official speaker of Dr. Hawking - this is another issue, but I can argue with you anyway.
     1. The 3D space dimensions are homogeneous - and Time is very much different 'dimension' (if it is dimension at all). Time is 'one way ticket' unlike all the other 3 dimensions that are 'reversible'.
     2. One cannot measure the Time with the metrics used for the other dimensions (meter and its derivatives).
     3. Time-Space Continuum makes no physical sense - its metrics (dimension unit of measurement) is cu.m x sec., which has no plausible physical interpretation. The math expectation for 4D space would be m^4.
     4. Negative time has no physical interpretation, as Time is defined only within the interval [0,+infinity).
     5. If Time is one and the same for the whole Universe, there is no logic for Time to pass faster near whatever (pyramids, or black holes, etc.).
     6. If Time is distorted throughout the Universe more than 90% of what we know about the Universe is fake knowledge, based on fake assumptions.
     7. If Time is distorted throughout the Universe one and the same process in different parts of the Universe should have different speed/rate ... as a minimum.
     8. You have no convincing evidences that Time exists at all in the physical world, let alone to be a physical dimension.
     9. What is the logic for the 'fourth dimension' to be absolutely different from the remaining three ones?
Herald
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2014 03:38 am
@Herald,
RE: The Time Voyagers of the 4th Dimension
     We cannot manage with the 3D for now, thus the 4th dimension is our least problem. If we want to master the 4th dimension we have to master the eternal life of the species, in the first time. We have to do the math ... comprising the rational and optimal use of the available resources, including the time.
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