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Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea- Bush or Kerry?

 
 
Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2004 08:27 pm
McCain is not the authority on what people should think about John Faux Kerry.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2004 09:16 pm
Why not?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2004 09:31 pm
It's his opinion.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2004 09:35 pm
As opposed to, say, Ann Coulter's?

They're all opinions, John McCain seems to have more credibility than most.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2004 09:44 pm
I will take into account McCain's opinion, but not trading his for my own that is a compilation of many...but mostly Kerry's words and actions.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 20 Mar, 2004 06:52 am
Scrat wrote:
Frank - I guess it depends on whether you use the term "reality" to mean the way things are or the way you wish things were. I use it to mean the former. You seem to use it to mean the latter. FWIW, I don't think your usage squares with the actual definition of the word. :wink:


Nope, Scrat, I think you've got that backwards.

But I GUESS you knew I would think that! :wink:
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 20 Mar, 2004 07:17 am
The reason that McCain's opinion in the case of John Kerry would matter is two reasons. One he is in the Senate and is familiar with the votes in question and two is that he is a long time friend of John Kerry and knows him personally.

In any event, I find his position a little odd. He is out there campaigning for Bush while at the same time not completely closing the door on being a running mate for John Kerry. He defends both Kerry and Bush even though both have said some things about each other. Plus I don't understand why he is campaigning for Bush given the way he has been treated since his bid for the president in 2000 and given the horrible way he got smeared by the Bush team.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 20 Mar, 2004 10:30 am
revel wrote:
In any event, I find his position a little odd.

John McCain has built his career on a reputation for calling things what they are, as best he can, with little regard for party lines. His current moves fit this picture well. How I wish he had won the Republican nomination in 2000!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Mar, 2004 10:36 am
John McCain has been an enigma for the simple fact that he sorta voices his opinion like I do without regard to party line, except that he's a politician, and that's a rare breed. I like that!
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L R R Hood
 
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Reply Sat 20 Mar, 2004 06:32 pm
I remember hoping McCain would run for Pres, and then Bush got the nomination... I remember having a feeling of impending doom. I really tried to like Bush, but that's not going to happen.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2004 04:07 pm
McCain seems to voice his opinions based on what will garner him the greatest media attention. His "ethics" seem to have far less to do with his actions than does his ego.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2004 04:32 pm
He, through no fault of his own, kinda reminds me of Richard Dreyfuss's character in "The American President".
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/images/120899/mccain.jpg
My name is Bob Rumson, and I'm running for President!
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2004 05:05 pm
LOL Laughing
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2004 05:06 pm
I believe Kerry would be the worst of the choices being discussed here.

Just an opinion, but a fairly well informed one - Kerry had a political career in mind when he was transferred to swift boats in Vietnam, and when, after gathering the requisite medals (some of which he submitted for himself), quickly got out of there to take a job as aide to a not-very-important Rear Admiral on the East Coast. His very deliberate grandstanding before the various committees of Congress was designed to make a public name for himself. In his testimony he went way beyond what he could have known from his own experience, and he betrrayed the very people and organizations he claimed to serve so well earlier. His courage would have counted for much more had he spoken up while still on active duty. There are words for this kind of behavior.

His Senate career has involved very little in the way of real influence towards any particular viewpoint, and a disturbing tendency to follow the current fashion of the Liberal elite - without regard to consistency over time. Similarly in his public utterances in the recent campaign he has shown an interesting ability to imagine himself on both sides of many issues - taking credit for opposing legislation he voted for and for supporting other acts he finally voted against.

There is little doubt he is better spoken than George Bush - but that sadly is a fairly low standard. I find his proclivity for rather lofty wooly prose suggestive of a lack of clarity of thought and will. He does manage to communicate at every turn a level of self-importance that I also find more than a little off putting,
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2004 05:14 pm
and during those "Kerry" years could you also give us a synopsis of what George Bush was doing/accomplishing? you know, just for comparison.
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suzy
 
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Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2004 05:18 pm
heh heh heh Twisted Evil
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2004 05:19 pm
Good q, dys. We "must" have both sides to compare; it's the only fair, American Way
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Windtamer
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2004 06:43 am
Well look at it like this. If we're all jobless how are we going to continue to finance a war on terror? If we have no allies how are we going to continue a fight against terror? This is a battle that America cannot fight alone no matter how strong we are. We need the cooperation of the world to see us all through this. Bush has pretty much told the UN to piss off, thats not very good and thats not very presidential. Not to mention the fact that the Bush administration has forged documents to spin FBI intelligence and make it look like Iraq was a major terrorist concern. Did you know that Bush has to go before a UN war tribunal next year for crimes against humanity during his escapade of regime change through Iraq? To me there is only one clear choice. John Kerry may have faults but at least he is'nt being accused of crimes against humanity. I also suggest you visit the John Kerry Debunker forums on his website here. Don't just listen to the rhetoric you see on TV and the people on the posting boards. Go and do some real research on your own. Thats how you will find the answers you need.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2004 06:48 am
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John Kerry may have faults but at least he is'nt being accused of crimes against humanity.


No, he just admitted to atrocities.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2004 08:13 am
Kerry's Class and Eloquence no doubt plays a large part in the overall performance of The Democratic Party's success at fundraising nation wide. You know what they say ... "Money talks and .... "

Mr. Green
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