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11/22/63 -- for us old-timers only

 
 
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2013 01:08 pm
@edgarblythe,
Yeah, it's hard to shoot rapidly, but...if my Marine friends are to be believed.....they claim that ANY US Marine back then, given a couple of boxes of ammo to practice with, could have fired three shots and hit at least 2/3, more likely 3/3.

There's a scene in Full Metal Jacket that repeats this wisdom.

Joe(it wouldn't even raise their heartrate)Nation
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2013 01:12 pm
@Joe Nation,
Sure. I'm one who doubts the conspiracy stories.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2013 01:13 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

There was an interview yesterday on CBC with a gentleman who wrote a book, the burden of which was basically, "Oswald acted alone, noe get over it." He had every frame of the Zapruder film enlarged and digitally enhanced, and one of the first things he said was that the first shot missed. He gave the relevant frame numbers in sequence of the Zapruder film showing the miss, the "magic bullet" hitting Connally (the lapel of his suit jacket lifts up as the bullet exits), and the frame in which the final shot hits Kennedy.
I thought the impact of the last shot
was obstructed from vu by a rectangular road sign. Yes ?
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33export
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 01:27 pm
Remember it as though it happened yesterday...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/John_F_Kennedy_Memorial%2C_Runnymede_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1750972.jpg/320px-John_F_Kennedy_Memorial%2C_Runnymede_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1750972.jpg
Click for the story.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 02:40 pm
@33export,
seems that the 50th anniversary last year took the attention away .
There are a few memorial programs but the big "Where were you"? type sessions were not so many this year.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 02:43 pm
@33export,
I thought there used to be an eternal flame by his grave.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 03:01 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
Yeah, it's hard to shoot rapidly, but...if my Marine friends are to be believed.....they claim that ANY US Marine back then, given a couple of boxes of ammo to practice with, could have fired three shots and hit at least 2/3, more likely 3/3.

There's a scene in Full Metal Jacket that repeats this wisdom.

Joe(it wouldn't even raise their heartrate)Nation
Oswald was a big believer in economy.
That rifle was a piece of Italian junk;
I remember it being offered for sale for a long time for $12.
Kennedy was not killed with an American gun.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 03:52 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:
Yeah, it's hard to shoot rapidly, but...if my Marine friends are to be believed.....they claim that ANY US Marine back then, given a couple of boxes of ammo to practice with, could have fired three shots and hit at least 2/3, more likely 3/3.

There's a scene in Full Metal Jacket that repeats this wisdom.

Joe(it wouldn't even raise their heartrate)Nation
Oswald was a big believer in economy.
That rifle was a piece of Italian junk;
I remember it being offered for sale for a long time for $12.
Kennedy was not killed with an American gun.


You're quite right, David. One could hardly buy anything junkier back then. My non-PC friends used to refer to it as 'that Guinea gas-pipe.' So, what conclusions do you draw from that?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 03:59 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:
Yeah, it's hard to shoot rapidly, but...if my Marine friends are to be believed.....they claim that ANY US Marine back then, given a couple of boxes of ammo to practice with, could have fired three shots and hit at least 2/3, more likely 3/3.

There's a scene in Full Metal Jacket that repeats this wisdom.

Joe(it wouldn't even raise their heartrate)Nation
Oswald was a big believer in economy.
That rifle was a piece of Italian junk;
I remember it being offered for sale for a long time for $12.
Kennedy was not killed with an American gun.


You're quite right, David. One could hardly buy anything junkier back then.
My non-PC friends used to refer to it as 'that Guinea gas-pipe.'
So, what conclusions do you draw from that?
Oswald was a cheapskate. He was not much of an American.
He assassinated the career of Barry Goldwater, in whose campaign I was working at the time.
We got stuck with LBJ.





David
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 04:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You draw those conclusions from the fact that the Carcano-Manlicher was a piece of junk? My, my.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 04:22 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Another thing:
No one seems to care much
that the purportedly "magic bullet"
was lying naked on the Kennedy stretcher in the hospital,
after having penetrated the Governor of Texas.

Does that say anything about provenance or about authenticity?????



Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 04:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
No one seems to care much about any of the irregularities in the FBI's original crime scene investigation nor about he apparent inconsistencies of the Warren Commission Report conclusions.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 04:28 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
No one seems to care much about any of the irregularities in the FBI's original crime scene investigation
nor about he apparent inconsistencies of the Warren Commission Report conclusions.
FBI or Secret Service ?

I did not read that report. It was VOLUMINOUS. Did u read it ??


IF Oswald had any taste,
he coud have used a nice Golden Boy:

http://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/golden-boy/





David


Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 04:40 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I have not read the report word-for-word but I am familiar with its contents.

The FBI was investigating, supposedly. Its gaffes at Parkland alone are enough to call the whole inquiry into question. The Secret Service was busy covering up its own usual incompetency.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 04:51 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
In recent years, The History Channel did an ultra-meticulous analysis
of the time-line leading up to and surpassing Kennedy's assassination,
reaching into LBJ taking the oath in the plane on the way back to Washington.

It also tested the rifle and tested foot-running time from the shooting floor
down to the street in front of the book depository.

Maybe it coud be possible that u can find it in YouTube.

It was admirable, and in my vu: fully dispositive.





David
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 07:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The History Channel, and others, have done a fine job demonstrating that the 'lone assassin' theory along with the other conclusions of the Warren Commission are certainly possible and should therefore be admissible as historical fact. My only argument against that is that there is certainly room for reasonable doubt. Possible, sure. How likely, even by the civil rules of preponderance of evidence?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 07:35 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
My only argument against that is that there is certainly room for reasonable doubt. Possible, sure.
My seeing of that analysis left me with the impression
that continued doubt is un-reasonable,
like doubting the Moon Landings, just foolishness.

Thay might as well blame Bigfoot.

From your posted words, I take the inference
that u did not see their show. Yes??????

IF u DID see it, then will u tell us where thay went rong ??????





David
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2014 08:22 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/1122/The-John-F.-Kennedy-assassination-Four-unanswered-questions

Enough unanswered questions to remain skeptical.
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