Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 11:23 am
@H2O MAN,

Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5228242)


Obama is sort of a God, the Messiah, the anointed one, the dear ruler, the president and he isn't capable of coming up with a plan.

Fire him.


Well, I voted for him...but I think he is just a human doing an almost impossible job.

If, however, you think there is a plan that can be set in place "now"...why not recommend it, H2O. I'd love to hear it. He's undoubtedly love to hear it. We would all appreciate it.

So share it.

Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 11:25 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Re: parados (Post 5228255)
Parasite, A2Ks under informed Moron


Why does it so often deteriorate to that with you, H2O? This is a discussion. Get away from that kind of nonsense.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 11:25 am
@Frank Apisa,


Rolling Eyes No kidding, you voted for Obama?

I knew you were an idiot... appreciate the confirmation.
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 11:26 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5228263)


No kidding, you voted for Obama?

I knew you were an idiot... appreciate the confirmation.


Why does it so often deteriorate to that with you, H2O? This is a discussion. Get away from that kind of nonsense.
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joefromchicago
 
  5  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 01:02 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
The Republicans have already indicated their desire to address the unsustainable growth of entitlement spending, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and, as well to cut discretionary spending

So you can't find any specific cuts that the GOP would make either. Thanks for confirming what I wrote.
Miller
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 02:24 pm
@joefromchicago,

georgeob1 wrote:
The Republicans have already indicated their desire to address the unsustainable growth of entitlement spending, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and, as well to cut discretionary spending


Obama has pushed medical professionals to use electronic record keeping in hospitals and clinics, in order to save money ( primarily medicare and medicaid. Guess what? It didn't.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 02:28 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:


georgeob1 wrote:
The Republicans have already indicated their desire to address the unsustainable growth of entitlement spending, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and, as well to cut discretionary spending


Obama has pushed medical professionals to use electronic record keeping in hospitals and clinics, in order to save money ( primarily medicare and medicaid. Guess what? It didn't.


There hasn't been enough time passed yet to make this assessment. All new initiatives have a start-up cost associated with them... that doesn't invalidate their ability to save money over time.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 03:47 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:


georgeob1 wrote:
The Republicans have already indicated their desire to address the unsustainable growth of entitlement spending, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and, as well to cut discretionary spending


Obama has pushed medical professionals to use electronic record keeping in hospitals and clinics, in order to save money ( primarily medicare and medicaid. Guess what? It didn't.


I'm not surprised, every single time Obama has claimed a savings of
X when selling another stupid plan it ends up costing two times more.

None of Obama's plans, initiatives etc... have saved a penny.
spendius
 
  0  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 04:08 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
I'm not surprised, every single time Obama has claimed a savings of
X when selling another stupid plan it ends up costing two times more.


That's the general idea H2O. Whoever heard of a politician actually saving money. You don't get a $16.5 trillion deficit by saving money.

It's how to build up a Party cadre by making millions of lower-middle-class people dependent on spending programs.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 04:12 pm
@spendius,
Who ever heard of a president racking up record debt while simultaneously doing everything possible to kill the US economy and redistribute this counties
wealth to non-US entities? It's how Obama knocks the US down a few pegs.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2013 11:43 pm
@joefromchicago,
The growth in social security, Medicare, and medical can be fixed; there's still a surplus. However, defense spending that continues to increase our deficit doersn't get peep fr the GOP. That's where the biggest savings can be had. We are not the world's police.
roger
 
  1  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 12:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
I'll bite. How can the growth in Medicare be fixed?
Miller
 
  1  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 03:05 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

I'll bite. How can the growth in Medicare be fixed?


There are many ways to stop the growth in Medicare costs. One way is stop ordering expensive tests, when less expensive tests can do the job.

Another way is to Rx generic drugs, where available, in place of Brand name drugs.

Appy common sense to the practice of medicine at all levels. For instance, do 90+ year old females really need to have pap tests and mammograms each and every year?
revelette
 
  2  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 10:24 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Not only that, but many of the provisions in Obamacare haven't even taken effect yet.

11 facts about the Affordable Care Act

H2O MAN
 
  0  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 10:28 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

the provisions in Obamacare haven't even taken effect yet.



And that is truly scary for every American because it can only get worse
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JPB
 
  1  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 10:41 am
What Treasury's "Least Harmful" response looks like if the debt ceiling isn't raised quickly.

Quote:
The last time the nation faced this threat, in the summer of 2011, Treasury's staff felt that delaying payments was the "least harmful" of the "very bad options," according to a Treasury inspector general's report. The department would pay the first day's bills only once it collected enough to pay them all. Under such a plan, however, the delayed payments would cascade, increasing exponentially.

"Because the U.S. operates at a deficit, payment delays under such a regime would have quickly worsened each day the debt limit remained at its limit, potentially causing great hardships to millions of Americans and harm to the economy," the inspector general wrote in his report on the 2011 debt-ceiling fight.

On Wednesday, the Bipartisan Policy Center think tank sketched out what this could look like. If the country reaches the debt ceiling on Feb. 15, the first day in the BPC's prediction, the bills owed that day would be delayed by five days. The seventh day's bills would be delayed by a week. By day 15, money owed would take half-a-month to be paid out.

It may not sound terrible, but the consequences could be severe, the BPC explains:

"Both the first- and second-order effects of such a delay would be very tangible: A senior who depends on Social Security benefits´╗┐ and has no other source of income might be unable to pay rent when due; a physician who treats many Medicare and Medicaid patients may be unable to meet payroll for nurses and administrative staff; a small government contractor may be unable to pay a subcontractor on time; a family depending on its tax refund to make a credit-card payment might incur a substantial interest expense; and a member of the military whose paycheck is delayed might miss a mortgage payment, incurring penalties."

National Journal
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 08:08 pm
@JPB,
The GOP don't give a shi... who they harm. They've
already proved that by holding the budget hostage during the important Christmas shopping season that depressed retail sales by over one percent.

That not only depressed the countries GDP, but reduced tax revenues for all levels of government.

There's no c..........
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 08:14 pm
@roger,
There are many ways that I've mentioned on these threads in the past. They can begin with waste by providing medical supplies through competitive bidding. Penalize doctors who cheat the system with harsh penalties. Then offer services on a sliding fee scale. Increase the payroll deductions - increase the age of benefit , and finally, congress must pay for GW Bush's extended drug benefit.
Miller
 
  1  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 08:45 pm
Quote:
increase the age of benefit


It may seem like a good idea, but is it? While a white collar professional might be able to work till age 70 years and thus enroll in Medicare at age 70 years, should a person who does "day labor" for his/her living be forced to work till age 70 years ( digging ditches or tarring highways for example ) in order to collect Medicare benfits?

That wouldn't be just nor would it be reasonable. While, the white collar professional may have a life expectancy of about 74-76 years ( so he/she would gain Medicare benefits for about 4-6 years) the person who slaves at day labor might not live to age 70 year ( and thus never collect Medicare benefits ) or live to only 71-72 ( few years of Medicare benfits ) primarily because of the beating his/her body has taken over the years while doing day labor.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2013 11:50 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

roger wrote:

I'll bite. How can the growth in Medicare be fixed?


There are many ways to stop the growth in Medicare costs. One way is stop ordering expensive tests, when less expensive tests can do the job.

Another way is to Rx generic drugs, where available, in place of Brand name drugs.

Appy common sense to the practice of medicine at all levels. For instance, do 90+ year old females really need to have pap tests and mammograms each and every year?


Easy to say: very hard to do. How do you go about avoiding "expensive tests"? Will we establish a bureaucracy or a formula to second guess Doctor's judgments? How will they (and the patients like that? Folks here repeatedly scream about similar things when iunsurance companies do them.

Generic drugs don't always work with many patients. Synthroid is a good example.

I don't think you will save a lot of money by eliminating the pap tests for the 90 year old women who are so presumably anxious to get them.

The fact is that once the government gets in the business of creating suvh a universal system, then it rationalizes excess cost as a way to control it completely. I'm not aware of anything the government does that is both high quality and inexpensive. Indeed there is damn little that it does that is inexpensive at any level of quality.
 

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