hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2013 11:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
america just like europe goes for "delay and pray" because we dont have anything else. the problem is that this compounds the crisis in confidence in the system and those who run it which is the cause of this global economic crisis which is going on 5 years old. it is getting to be very difficult to dream up a way that this does not end up as calamity. even fanciful optimism is getting to be tough to manage, realistic optimism based upon facts is dead.
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 05:38 am
@IRFRANK,
Political parties and gerrymandered districts.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 05:45 am
One of the problems is that most Americans seem to want "less government"...but at the same time they expect the humans who make up that "government" to solve problems that would be difficult for gods to solve.

JPB
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 06:33 am
@Frank Apisa,
They want less government in involvement with the things that don't matter to them. They want better efficiency (who doesn't) and less redundancy (definitely), but they really don't want less government writ large.

I should start a separate thread for this but I wonder how different people would describe the "social safety net" they envision when they hear that phrase. I guess there should be two descriptions, one on how you see it today and then on how one envisions the proper net.

I envision the proper net as a fairly fine mesh. A net made of cloth that doesn't hold water, that stretches wide enough to catch most (but not necessarily every) individual who falls. I see it laying below the floor of every day life -- not the floor that we all aspire to walk upon. I see today's net as rubber padded -- built to hold water and catch most of everything that falls. I see it laying on the floor, not below it, and I see it stretched wide, but not so wide that it catches everyone in need (still people that don't hit the rubber padded floor).
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 07:20 am
@Frank Apisa,


The humans hired/elected to govern have created most of the problems Americans face today and in the near future.
The humans need to change their habits and concentrate on the jobs they are hired to do... nothing more.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 07:55 am


Weekly jobless applications rise by 10,000 to 372,000

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 09:16 am


The US government has a spending problem.

The American people need to greatly restrict it's government with a spending ban of our choosing.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 09:39 am
@H2O MAN,
Do you realize how your last two posts conflict with each other?
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 10:15 am
@hawkeye10,
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 10:24 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
the problem is that this compounds the crisis in confidence in the system and those who run it which is the cause of this global economic crisis which is going on 5 years old...

It was mainly a poorly regulated banking and mortgage industry that led to our financial meltdown, with global ramifications, almost 5 years ago. About the only thing I think the government should be faulted for is a lack of regulation that allowed it to happen.

Do you really think we have instituted enough government controls and regulations to prevent that from happening again?
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 10:31 am
@firefly,
You want a regulatory presence to a level that pre-guesses how the banking and mortgage industry is going to attempt to squeeze money out of the masses? Really? Not me. I'm much more in line with the "buyer beware" side of the spectrum.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 10:38 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

You want a regulatory presence to a level that pre-guesses how the banking and mortgage industry is going to attempt to squeeze money out of the masses?


Yes, by defining strict rules regarding lying to one's customers and then enforcing them with criminal sanctions. We don't have to anticipate the ways companies will cheat, only change the punishment to personal and real ones - and start aggressively policing the industry.

The number one thing holding back our nation's recovery has been an insufficient examination of banks and their lending policies - both in terms of reasonable restrictions and the fundamental purpose of these institutions in the first place. We should start off by re-instating Glass-Steagal immediately and get housing lenders out of the stock speculation market.

Cycloptichorn
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 10:45 am
@JPB,
Quote:
Not me. I'm much more in line with the "buyer beware" side of the spectrum.

Do you want that with our food industry too? Or do you not think we need government control and regulation in that area too?

Personally, I prefer a government that tries to make sure our food doesn't make us ill or kill us.

I also prefer a government that makes sure our banking industry doesn't promote unsafe products as well, for their own profit motives, because those can be a real economy killer--as we found out the hard way.
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 11:02 am
@firefly,
Actually, I do fall on that side of the line in the food industry. You seem to think that less regulation means no regulation. Or, that we need enough regulation to save us from ourselves. We differ in that regard.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 11:27 am
@JPB,
Well, I think an obligation of government is to "promote the general welfare"--and that's one reason our Constitution was established. We need enough regulation to protect the public from harmful or unscrupulous practices--which is what our banking industry lacked 5 years ago.

So we differ on that score.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 11:43 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

The number one thing holding back our nation's recovery has been an insufficient examination of banks and their lending policies - both in terms of reasonable restrictions and the fundamental purpose of these institutions in the first place. We should start off by re-instating Glass-Steagal immediately and get housing lenders out of the stock speculation market.

Cycloptichorn


I can think of several factors that are high on my list of things that may be holding bask on our economic recovery. This isn't one of them. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

Indeed the Fed's repeated large ourchases of Federal Bonds, and other related actions, have been holding interest rates down to abnormally low levels, presumably to lower the interest burdens on a government whose debt is rapidly increasing boith in absolute and relative (to GDP) terms. In this situation; with all the new regulatory actions going on; all the new capitalization requiremnent for banks; amnd the prospect of future inflation, it is surprising to me that they are lending at all.

Furthermore, amidst the continuing uncertainty about future levels of taxation, government regulation of the economy, and still unresolved & unsustainable levels of government spending, there isn't that much demand for capital loans toi facilitate business expansion.
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 12:26 pm
Hastert says no more breaking of the Hastert rule.

Quote:
Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert defended the so-called "Hastert Rule" Thursday by arguing that without it, the House speaker is no longer in power. Commenting on House Speaker John Boehner's decision to introduce the fiscal cliff deal without support from a majority of Republicans -- thus breaking the rule -- Hastert said on Fox News Radio that Boehner was on a dangerous path toward giving up his powers.

"Maybe you can do it once, maybe you can do it twice, but when start making deals, when you have to get Democrats to pass the legislation, you are not in power anymore," Hastert said. "When you start passing stuff that your members are not in line with, all of a sudden your ability to lead is in jeopardy because somebody else is making decisions. The president is making decisions, [House Minority Leader Nancy] Pelosi is making decisions, or they are making the decisions in the Senate. All tax bills and all spending bills under the Constitution start in the house. When you give up that responsibility you really give up your responsibility to govern, and that is the problem.”


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/hastert-defends-his-rule-without-it-you-are
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 01:15 pm
Quote:
January 3, 2013
Boehner Re-Elected Speaker Despite Dissent
By JONATHAN WEISMAN

WASHINGTON — Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio was re-elected speaker of the House on Thursday despite some unrest among Republicans about his handling of the fiscal negotiations with the White House and his decision to call off a vote on hurricane relief.

As the 113th Congress convened just after noon, Mr. Boehner weathered some protest votes from the rank and file to defeat Representative Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader, by a vote of 220 to 192. Other candidates drew a total of 14 votes.

“Public service was never meant to be an easy living,” an emotional Mr. Boehner said after he took the gavel from Ms. Pelosi, referring to the tough decisions facing Congress. “Extraordinary challenges demand extraordinary leadership.”

But in a long, pomp-filled roll call vote, nine Republicans voted against Mr. Boehner, and a handful of members refused to vote, signaling that divisions among House Republicans would continue from the 112th Congress into the 113th.

Some Republican conservatives registered their disapproval with the speaker by voting for others like Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the No. 2 House Republican, as well as Allen West, the fiery conservative from Florida who lost his seat in the November election.

“I think it was a vote of no confidence,” said Representative Tim Huelskamp, Republican of Kansas, who voted for Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio, a conservative Republican. “In this town the intimidation was intense. There were a lot of members who wanted to vote no.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/us/politics/new-congress-begins-with-wishes-of-comity-but-battles-ahead.html?hp

Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 01:41 pm
@JPB,
Apparently Hastert sees the House as an American version of Britain's Commons where it's the business of one party to write all the laws, rather than seeing it as it was designed -- a deliberative body, bringing together views from across America and the political spectrum.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2013 01:45 pm
@Kolyo,
Quote:
Re: JPB (Post 5216666)
Apparently Hastert sees the House as an American version of Britain's Commons where it's the business of one party to write all the laws, rather than seeing it as it was designed -- a deliberative body, bringing together views from across America and the political spectrum.


If only!!!
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