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Israel Under Attack: Does Anyone Care?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 07:58 pm
@oralloy,
I see you also lack comprehension of the English language. Knew it, but you continue to enforce it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 09:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I see you also lack comprehension of the English language. Knew it, but you continue to enforce it.


*PLONK*
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 09:23 pm
@oralloy,
#1:
Quote:
Under international law, Israel has no right to designate any part of the West Bank as a military zone because this, like settlement building, is not permitted on occupied land, despite the inventive efforts of government-appointed Israeli legal experts to argue away the existence of the occupation and frame it as little more than a Palestinian preoccupation. link to www.haaretz.com


#2:
Quote:
Try this, http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story416.html

Here's the crux of that offer,
Quote:

. It's worth taking a note that it's the Palestinian people who owned and operated 93% of Palestine's land as of 1948, click here for a breakdown of Palestinian vs. Zionist land ownership as of 1946. In a nutshell, Arafat was presented with "a take it or leave it deal" either Palestinians had to give up their claims to most of East Jerusalem and forfeit their Right of Return, and in return Palestinians would "gain" a non-contiguous state on parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, or the whole Clinton-Barak offer had to be rejected outright; which he did.


"PLONK" was your brain dropping into the sewer - where it belongs.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 03:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Are you sure that the Pals didn't own only 91.4 percent of Palestine in 1948?

It is so funny that you would write such utter rubbish based on a highly-biased Pal website that doesn't make good sense.

Were your parents siblings?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 03:51 pm
@Advocate,
Ad hominem;
Quote:
Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:


Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).


Do you have a basic understanding of logic? Just wondering.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 05:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Wow, you really are half a wit. BTW, I didn't claim that the ad hominem comment related to your claim.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 05:23 pm
@Advocate,
You wrote,
Quote:
It is so funny that you would write such utter rubbish based on a highly-biased Pal website that doesn't make good sense.


If it doesn't make "good sense," it's up to you to challenge that claim. All you did was attack the messenger; ad hominem.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 05:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Why should I challenge? It is just a baseless assertion.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 05:35 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Why should I challenge? It is just a baseless assertion.


The website's origin notwithstanding, the details presented about the 'deal' are absolutely correct: it was carefully constructed to be perfectly unacceptable to the other side.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 06:31 pm
@Advocate,
If it's baseless, it should be easy for you to find evidence for it. However, you can't. You live with ignorance and idiocy because you can't back up with any reliable source to challenge the information presented.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 06:34 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
The website's origin notwithstanding, the details presented about the 'deal' are absolutely correct: it was carefully constructed to be perfectly unacceptable to the other side.

Cycloptichorn


That is incorrect. Everything that website said about Israel's offer was an outright lie.

And by lying about Israel's past offers, the website provides even more justification (not that more was needed at this point) for Israel not bothering with negotiations anymore.

Why would anyone ever bother negotiating when all they will get for their trouble is people lying about what they did?

No, now it is time for Israel to finish building the Separation Fence, and then forcibly annex everything on their side of it.

The Palestinians have had their last chance to negotiate 1967 borders, and now the world will have to accept that Israel is taking part of the West Bank for themselves.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 06:56 pm
@oralloy,
Not surprising, you're doing the same thing Advocate is doing; calling it false without providing any evidence to support your position.

You guys never studied logic, I presume.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 09:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Here's a conclusion by Steven Glazer, PhD, Professor of History (another anti-Semite).

Quote:
Article/book #: 109256
Title: The Palestinian Exodus in 1948
By: Steven A. Glazer
Published in: Journal of Palestine Studies (JPS), volume 9, issue 4, pages 96 to 118
Date of issue: 1980


Cross-reference(s):
Refers to this book, by Rony Gabbay
Refers to this article, by Erskine Childers in The Spectator
Commentary

Abstract:


I am inclined to prefer Childers [research] because the sources he cites would have reached the masses, who would then react accordingly. Radio was the most widely used form of communication, and the "horror recordings" were broadcast on the scene. Gabbay's evidence, newspapers and UN documents, were designed for outside consumption, by diplomats and politicians abroad and by the educated and influential Arab decision makers. This is not the kind of material which would necessarily have been in the hands of the common Palestinian. Thus I believe that Childers' contention, claiming that Zionist provocation had more to do with causing the exodus than backfiring atrocity propaganda, is borne out.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 11:35 am
@cicerone imposter,
Big deal! That is one man's belief.

Again, you look to a piece in a pro-Palestinian journal. Note the reference to the right-wing American publication. And here you are a liberal.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 02:09 pm
@Advocate,
You never learn, do you? Rather just poo-poo with your negative message, you need to provide reliable evidence that challenges the message.

You never will, because you can't. You do remember the word "ad hominem" right? Keep it up; makes you look more idiotic and stupid!@
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 02:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I guess you never learned this, but it is often impossible to prove a negative.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 02:52 pm
@Advocate,
You call that a "negative?" LOL, you really are dumb!
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 02:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You call that a "negative?" LOL, you really are dumb!


You are always so nasty. Why don't you just shoot yourself and get it over with.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:28 pm
@Advocate,
If you can't bear it, it's you who needs to harm yourself. I'm happy and doing quite well in the area of good health and world travel.

FYI, if you can't handle nasty, you're really spending too much time on a2k.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2013 03:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
A2K doesn' have to be so full of invective, insults and name calling. It is possible for people to disagree on serious matters without all that ****. Unfortunately you, cicerone, and others here make it that way. I believe that kind of behavior is, at best, bad manners. The fact that you do it so much is degrading to you. It makes you look foolish, not string and forceful. You should quit it. You don't do that when face -to-face with someone. Why do you do it here?
 

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