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What is the 411 on JTT?

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 05:57 pm
@msolga,
Anyway, one last word before I head off & enjoy this sunny morning ...
I find these sorts of threads, which focus on one particular A2K member & invite people to speculate about their flaws & faults, rather off-putting ...
Even more so when the discussion is instigated by the flawed & faulty! Wink
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:08 pm
@msolga,
I do too, but I joined in. I ignore my nicey mode if someone is a many years pest.
I get to speak on the matter. You are welcome to forgo it.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:17 pm
@ossobuco,
Sure, osso.
But there are quite a few "pests" here (depending on how each of us defines a pest - it varies with individuals), always have been & probably always will be ....
I dunno about devoting a thread to speculate about what's wrong with each of them, though.
Anyway ...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:25 pm
@msolga,
But that's the whole idea about a2k; start a subject to see there is any interest. If not, it'll die on its own merits.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:33 pm
@msolga,
I agree on not liking a thread about a person.

I'm baaaaaad.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:36 pm
@ossobuco,
Yes you are, osso.
You'll have to try to keep that badness under control. Smile Wink

Anyway, I'll leave it here.
Gotta go. Really, this time. Wink
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engineer
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

JTT has attacked most Americans who have posted on a2k for the policies of the US government. He essentially blames all Americans.

engineer is blind to this fact, or has never bothered to read JTT's posts.

I've read his posts although like many I often find them off topic and quickly move past them, but while I do find his continuous personal attacks off putting, I understand his position that Americans tend to white wash US actions abroad. Like many who make unusually pointed arguments here, I can understand the position while disagreeing with with the point or the presentation. Hawk, of all people I surprised you are the one leading the charge here. You've been targeted with these types of attack threads before and I find this one as distasteful as the one directed at you.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 06:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You know, the mind is the second thing to go.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 07:18 pm
@engineer,
The difference is that I am forthcoming about who I am and why I am here, JTT is not. What I get upset about is when I am assumed to be lying and bad motives are assigned to me, which is not at all what I am doing to JTT here. He/she will not tell us what he/she is about, the behavior is strange, and I am wondering aloud what the story is that we are not being told.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 07:21 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Anyway, one last word before I head off & enjoy this sunny morning ...
I find these sorts of threads, which focus on one particular A2K member & invite people to speculate about their flaws & faults, rather off-putting ...
Even more so when the discussion is instigated by the flawed & faulty! Wink


When someone throws as much hate up on a2k as JTT does not only can we talk about where it comes from but we should be talking where it comes from.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 07:52 pm
@engineer,
Most of us "understand his position," and have agreed with him on many points. That's the not problem; his problem is the incessant repetition of attacks against the US and its people. When we have agreed with some of his points, it's not necessary to keep repeating the same hateful message he spews all the time against "us." It's ******* tiresome!

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aspvenom
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 09:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
I don't know why you made a thread on it. JTT is entertaining, and gives a perspective of criticism against America. I can see why people way into politics are maybe really offended by this individual. I'm not that politically active, so for me it's just another perspective (right or not) into the politics of America.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 10:04 pm
@aspvenom,
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I don't know why you made a thread on it

you could avoid this problem in the future by improving your listening/reading skill, as this was explained.
aspvenom
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 10:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
I got that part, but is that a valid enough reason.
Maybe some people have it in their interest to keep a level of anonymity. You won't get anywhere, unless that individual makes a effort to answer your questions honestly, which I doubt will happen. You can discuss to length on it with others, but it won't get you anywhere.
You started this thread because of something or some quality you deemed inappropriate to you or negative in some way by JTT? It's part of human nature to be judgmental and being critical. Maybe it's for the good, maybe talking behind people's backs actually has something positive such as seeing thing in people we don't like, talking about it, elaborating on it, expanding our understanding of it, in order to learn. Would we be able to grow if we did not judge and if we only kept it in our head?
It's largely common sense to see that if you feel someone is treating a regular number of people in disrespectful ways, even if it isn't you at that time, then it's reasonably likely that it's a matter of time before you're similarly due on the receiving end. In which case I would advise not investing too much time and trust in them. You clearly wasted your time with this thread, and I'm clearly wasting my minutes of sleep over this. Hope you understood that mate, I didn't have time to edit it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 10:51 pm
@aspvenom,
You make some good points, and I believe most of us understand what you're saying, but a2k is about discussing all matters of social issues. With any topic, some will have deep interest, while others may completely ignore the thread. That's okay; we are all subject to our own interests and the people who bother to participate.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 11:01 pm
@aspvenom,
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Maybe some people have it in their interest to keep a level of anonymity.

like me, given that some have threatened to try to find me and harm my business.

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You can discuss to length on it with others, but it won't get you anywhere
my hope is that someone has figured out what JTT is up to, because I dont get it, and unexplained behavior from others bothers me. as a socialist I do believe that we have an ethical obligation to explain ourselves to others, an obligation which JTT refuses.

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maybe talking behind people's backs actually has something positive
perhaps, but this thread is not taking place behind JTT's back, though it is claimed that there is a network of A2K'ers who meet up at some secret virtual location. I have been told that I am a subject of conversation, and furthermore that no one likes me.

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You clearly wasted your time with this thread,

it is not clear to me, as it is still a young thread. somebody might still provide a solid answer to the question asked. I also did learn that JTT is not Possum.

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You can discuss to length on it with others, but it won't get you anywhere

a plausible theory would count as a win here.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 11:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
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When someone throws as much hate up on a2k as JTT does not only can we talk about where it comes from but we should be talking where it comes from.

You're being a wee bit selective aren't you, hawkeye? Wink
You seem to believe that only one person here should be identified, scrutinized & vilified for "hate" posting.
If I was going to get into the exercise of drawing attention to hate posters (which I'd prefer not to do - it's counterproductive & offensive) I could give you quite a list of usernames to add to the list!
There are many annoying, offensive posters here. You know that.
It's interesting that you have chosen just one to identify & focus on.
You yourself have said your "arguments" are so radical & threatening to the A2K "collective" that Robert has being trying to get rid if you for years!
Could that make you some sort of extremist, crazy, "hate" poster, too? Wink

If you don't like JTT's posts, well don't read them! It's as simple as that.
You know, I find it interesting, given the apparent deep offense JTT's posts appear to cause here, that no one (you included) seems to feel the need to start a thread to discuss some of the ugly (sometimes verging on off-the-planet), say nothing of often downright ignorant, posters from the other extreme end of political spectrum.
Now why do you think suppose that is?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2012 11:47 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
There are many annoying, offensive posters here. You know that.
It's interesting that you have chosen just one to identify & focus on.

as usual we find you not paying attention...i never claimed that JTT is any of those things. My interest in JTT is that I dont understand what the person behind JTT is up to, and i would like too. the only negative thing I said about JTT is that he/she has failed to honor what I consider to be their obligation to explain themselves after putting so much hate up on A2K

Quote:
If you don't like JTT's posts,
another thing I never said

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You know, I find it interesting, given the apparent deep offense JTT's posts appear to cause here, that no one (you included) seems to feel the need to start a thread to discuss some of the ugly (verging on off-the-planet), say nothing of often downright ignorant, posters from the extreme end of the other end of political spectrum.
Now why do you think that's the case?

if I had to guess I would say that we tend to dislike starting threads calling out particular people, or participating in them. I also think that over the years the membership here has change to make a collective which is not particularly interested in understanding others, we tend to be more interested in beating up others and hearing others parrot our beliefs (geez, sounds like S&M games doesn't it) . I like to argue as I have said often, but at the end of the day I care mostly about where the truth is. I am probably more interested in understanding then most here are, which accounts for me starting a thread trying to understand JTT when others here dont seem to give a **** what his damage is.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2012 12:04 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye, earlier you said:

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When someone throws as much hate up on a2k as JTT does not only can we talk about where it comes from but we should be talking where it comes from.


Now you are saying:

Quote:
My interest in JTT is that I dont understand what the person behind JTT is up to, and i would like too. the only negative thing I said about JTT is that he/she has failed to honor what I consider to be their obligation to explain themselves after putting so much hate up on A2K


Which you have never done yourself, right? Wink
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2012 12:10 am
@msolga,
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Which you have never done yourself, right?

i dont have a problem with hate speech nor with hate, it is a part of humanity and I flat out refuse to either hate my own species or avoid doing so by living in fantasyland.

sure I lay down some hate here, the three biggest targets of mine are stupidity, injustice and the dishonest manipulators of others (the feminists for example). you might see where I might feel some kindship with JTT, as he claims the American government is stupid, unjust, and manipulative.
 

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