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Did Jesus Have A Wife? Newly Discovered Ancient Text Reignites Debate

 
 
Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2012 08:54 am
If Jesus had a wife, is it possible that they also had a child? If so, would his wife and child also have gone to heaven? BBB

Did Jesus Have A Wife? Newly Discovered Ancient Text Reignites Debate
September 18, 2012
by Eyder Peralta

An ancient piece of text is reviving an equally ancient debate: Was Jesus Christ married?

Of course, most Christians believe that he wasn't. But today, Harvard Professor of Divinity Karen King presented a scrap of papyrus that dates back to the fourth century. She told a gathering of scholars in Rome that written in Coptic was this surprising sentence: "Jesus said to them, 'My wife...' "

"Christian tradition has long held that Jesus was not married, even though no reliable historical evidence exists to support that claim," King said in a press release. "This new gospel doesn't prove that Jesus was married, but it tells us that the whole question only came up as part of vociferous debates about sexuality and marriage. From the very beginning, Christians disagreed about whether it was better not to marry, but it was over a century after Jesus' death before they began appealing to Jesus' marital status to support their positions."

King adds that this new gospel also tells us that some early Christians believed that Jesus was indeed married.

The New York Times reports that the provenance of the fragment is not known because the owner asked to remain anonymous. Still, the Times reports, this ancient debate is relevant today:

"Even with many questions unsettled, the discovery could reignite the debate over whether Jesus was married, whether Mary Magdalene was his wife and whether he had a female disciple. These debates date to the early centuries of Christianity, scholars say. But they are relevant today, when global Christianity is roiling over the place of women in ministry and the boundaries of marriage.

"The discussion is particularly animated in the Roman Catholic Church, where despite calls for change, the Vatican has reiterated the teaching that the priesthood cannot be opened to women and married men because of the model set by Jesus."

The Washington Post reports that in her announcement in Rome, King said that the Vatican had not yet responded to her findings. Harvard quotes two independent experts who believe the 3-inch fragment is authentic, both after examining the papyrus and the writing and after examining the language and grammar.

King and AnneMarie Luijendijk, an associate professor of religion at Princeton University, will present their hypothesis in the January 2013 issue of Harvard Theological Review journal.

Harvard has posted images of both sides of the fragment along with a line-by-line transcription and translation.

King points out that ultimate confirmation will come from further testing, especially of the chemical composition of the ink.

Update at 10:15 a.m. ET, Sept. 19: On Morning Edition today, NPR's Barbara Bradley Hagerty reported that King says that while the scrap of papyrus is not evidence that Jesus was married, it is "quite clear evidence, in fact, that some Christians, probably in the second half of the second century ... thought that Jesus had a wife."

Barbara also talked with Darrell Bock, a New Testament scholar at the Dallas Theological Seminary, who says the scrap is an extraordinary discovery, but is at this point more of "an asterisk" regarding what is known about Jesus — and not enough to begin considering changes to any church's theology.

PHOTO

The front of the papyrus fragment.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/18/161373838/did-jesus-have-a-wife-newly-discovered-ancient-text-reignites-debate

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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2012 01:33 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Can one assume that any wife of Jesus would have been Jewish? If yes, then any child would have been Jewish. And, if the child married another Jew, there could be descendants of Jesus around today, and perhaps Jewish?

Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. (Don't that beat all!)
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2012 02:51 pm
I'm not surprised at this possibility at all.

I will enjoy watching how the churches handle this, if found to be true.

Jesus is a teacher, prophet and moral leader, but not divine. He was human in all ways, emotionally and physically.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2012 05:39 pm
@PUNKEY,
even if he didnt exist he would have had to be invented
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2012 06:01 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
In the fourth century they wrote this
might as well have been the fifteenth or twentieth
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2012 08:44 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
That's part of the whole premise of The daVinci Code. Nothing new here, folks; keep moving.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 06:03 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jkHzE91TtImDiLGeeXHCTcQpykcw?docId=10c470c348444f919ca69ffc638caaba

Harvard not yet publishing claim Jesus had wife


By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press – 41 minutes ago
BOSTON (AP) — Harvard University says it hasn't committed to publishing research that purportedly shows some early Christians believed Jesus had a wife even though its divinity school touted the research during a publicity blitz this week.
The research centers on a fourth-century papyrus fragment containing Coptic text in which Jesus uses the words "my wife." On Tuesday, Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King announced at an international conference that the fragment was the only existing ancient text in which Jesus explicitly talks of having a wife.
Harvard also said King's research was scheduled to be published in the Harvard Theological Review in January and noted the journal was peer-reviewed, which implied the research had been fully vetted.
But on Friday, the review's co-editor Kevin Madigan said he and his co-editor had only "provisionally" committed to a January publication, pending the results of the ongoing studies. In an email, Madigan said the added studies include "scientific dating and further reports from Coptic papyrologists and grammarians."
After Tuesday's announcement, The Associated Press raised questions about the fragment's authenticity and provenance, quoting scholars at the international congress on Coptic studies in Rome, where King delivered the paper. The scholars said the fragment's grammar, form and content raised several red flags. Alin Suciu, a papyrologist at the University of Hamburg, flatly called it a "forgery."
Boston University archaeologist Ricardo Elia said Friday that the Harvard Theological Review should delay publication until the fragment's owner and origins are more clearly documented.

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Prayforlucifer
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2015 09:23 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Jesus had to be married because the jewish roots wouldn't allow Him to preach. Also Mary wouldn't of been able to anoint His body after death unless She was immediate family. So on and so forth it goes on and on.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2021 11:54 pm
@Prayforlucifer,
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Jesus had to be married because the jewish roots wouldn't allow Him to preach. Also Mary wouldn't of been able to anoint His body after death unless She was immediate family. So on and so forth it goes on and on.


You've waited six years for an answer, so here it is.

There was never any requirement for a rabbi to be married. No one anointed the body of Jesus after his death, And the Mary who anointed his body before he died was not Mary Magdalene.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2021 08:22 am
Really nat reading somthing by MA. Hey Noints, Jever see Jesus high school yearbook???
The Anointed
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2021 05:01 am
@farmerman,
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Really nat reading somthing by MA. Hey Noints, Jever see Jesus high school yearbook???


Well, I suppose an historical and biblical ignoramus such as yourself might believe that Jewish schools 2,000 years ago had year books.

My, my, you are a silly child aren't you.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2021 06:57 pm
@The Anointed,
ya meen that Jeebus ony had a grade school education?. So i guess they dint hav great kamras too bak then? Man you are brilliant to let me know how iggerant Im is.BUUUUT , unlike you, Im edumacationablel
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2021 09:46 pm
'Course he had a wife. There was a popular folksong about it in those days. Here are the partial lyrics.

Now Jesus had a wife
To mourn him all her life
The disciples' number they was twelve
But that dirty little lice
That sold out Mister Christ
Has landed poor Jesus stuck up with nails
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