If You Were Talking To Jesus...

@bulmabriefs144,

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who exactly is Savior to Jesus? Or does he have nobody to save him?

If you hadn’t torn so many pages from your original bible and replaced them with the rubbish that you have written yourself you would know who the savior of Jesus is: He is the Lord of who it is written in Acts 17: 30-31; God has overlooked the times when people did not know him, but now he commands all of them everywhere to turn away from their evil ways. For he has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death!”

Our God and saviour, that you do not know and who you choose to ignore, and turn your back on the salvation that he offers to those who care for and protect the environment that they live in, and who refuse to do to their fellow man that which they would not wish others to do unto themselves, but has vowed that he will destroy those who are wilfully destroying the earth and thieving from, enslaving and slaughtering their brothers and sisters.

Our Lord God and saviour “THE SON OF MAN” who was taken up at the age of 360 to the throne of ‘The Lord Of Creatures’ the Most High to have developed within the creation, where he was anointed as the heir to that throne.

The God chosen by Abraham, "The Most High" who said to Moses concerning the man Jesus; in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish, etc.”

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised Moses that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

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Would you blame him for what you think God does?

What do you think of the God who commanded Samuel to say to King Saul in 1 Samuel 15: 1-3?

1 Samuel 15: 1-3. “I am the one whom the LORD sent to anoint you king of his people Israel. Now listen to what the LORD Almighty says. He is going to punish the people of Amalek because their ancestors opposed the Israelites when they were coming from Egypt. Go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Don't leave a thing; kill all the men, women, children, and babies; the cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys?”

I see that you are still trying to push your rubbishing belief that Jesus may have been a female.

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@The Anointed,

Uhhhh no.

Jesus throughout the New Testament is called the Lord. I know this because as I was editing, I was trying to sort out times when they meant God, or Jesus.

How can ths Lord be the Savior of Jesus, when he is Jesus himself?

Unless the Lord is some kind of mirror universe Jesus?

Even more confusing, Baal also means Lord. The Bible needs to clarify what the term means.
So listen. You think I removed these sections for no reason. So let me ask you... Zechariah has a prophecy where the Messiah is supposed to be a warrior. But instead he was a healer. Based on this, Jews reject Christian teaching about Messiah.

Do you believe that the Bible should be maintained intact? In which case you will have to explain which to accept: Zechariah and Revelation which both talk about the righteous destroying the secular powers of the Earth, or what actually happened in the Gospel?

Or do you believe that if a prophet is a false prophet, that he should be killed and his words thrown aside? Zechariah's prophecy did not come to pass, nor has Revelation in over 2000 years. So either Zechariah was mentioning a false Christ, or his prophecy from the start was patent nonsense.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Also relevant: who exactly is Savior to Jesus? Or does he have nobody to save him?

What does Jesus or anyone else have to be "saved" from?

And why?

If you are going to blindly guess that a GOD exists and that you are going to worship that GOD...

...why not blindly guess that the GOD is not a psychopath who wants to torture people throughout eternity...and from whom people must be saved?

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@Frank Apisa,

It's him! He's the one!!! (Frank gets chased after by large crowds)

Consider the context which Jesus is said to have grown up under, and you might get a better grasp on why some people are Christian.

Christianity has nothing to do with belief in God. That was nothing novel at Jesus's time. Judaism already had that, Zoroastrianism had two of them (one was bad). Islam made that point again by plagiarizing Judaism.

Christianity is about a number of things that Judaism/Islam/Zoroastrianism doesn't touch on:
1. Judaism is about salvation of the moral. But in first century AD/BC, even though a huge temple was built by Herod (I mean monstrous), it operated like a business, not a charity. Imagine this. You are so poor that you have to work on every day. But Israel has blue laws. You work on the Sabbath, the Jews declare you a sinner. Sinners have to buy a sacrifice to have their sins atoned. This involves buying a caged animal at the market (usually a dove, but ranging up to a sheep, or even a heifer), which is then slaughtered for your sins. Nothing else, they say, can forgive your sins. But now this took a good chunk of profit for your business. In fact, now you are in debt to a neighbor in addition to still having work on the Sabbath again. This time such sin "can't be forgiven" because you can't pay to play. This isn't a metaphor or something, this is actually the system they described. People were suffering under the Jewish sin business. What do people need salvation from? They need it from sin, or rather from the punishment of sin. This seems like no big deal to atheists and agnostics, but you are basically seen as a person of shame if you can't worship. You were an outcast.
2. In addition, these "sinners" (they're just poor) are joined by the unclean. This consists of those with serious psychological disorders ( "demon possessed") and those with skin conditions like psoriasis ("lepers" even if they weren't technically). These people couldn't enter the temple, even if they hadn't sinned under Jewish laws. They were unclean. In fact, a priest, who should have given at the very least some kind of word of blessing, instead kept about four cubits away (or 100 cubits, if the wind was blowing).
https://medium.com/christian-history-and-culture/social-distancing-in-the-bible-cff1a7c2e932
Because it was difficult to do that in a walled city like Jerusalem, they were typically OUTSIDE the city. They were also outcasts, rejected scum of the Earth.
3. During this time, Jews were also under Roman occupation. They had to pay a number of taxes.
https://www.julianspriggs.co.uk/Pages/taxation
You had a temple tax (which was to the priests instead of Rome, but after the fall of the temple, Rome made the Jews pay it for their temple of Jupiter), a land tax, a tribute tax, and a 2% to 5% customs tax on goods (as well as tolls). Some of these taxes had bigger penalties than others. You don't pay the temple tax to the Jews, you are another sinner and they expect you to offer an animal (see above) or be banned from worship. You don't pay the land tax, yoy lose your land. You don't pay the other taxes, you might be seen as a rebel and killed. By the way, the tribute tax involved a coin with Caesar's image, and it was basically an idol, so even though this tax was small, it represented some unconscionable. These taxes killed the public two ways: by driving them into poverty, and by threatening them with extreme brutality if they were unwilling or unable to pay.

It helps if you try to visualize all of this in a society.

It is not the existence of God that makes someone a Christian. It is the feeling of being loved, forgiven, and saved. Jesus flipped a table before it was cool, trying to put an end to animal sacrifices. Finally, the destruction of the Temple put an end to that (the Jews refuse Jesus, because they think he was supposed to rebuild the temple, not tear it down). He treated the sick and lepers through medicine and compassion (Jesus also had a sort of reiki thing going on), as did his followers. He saved people from rejection. Lastly, he showed people that even if you die, it isn't a big deal, removing their fear of Roman oppression. Now, you can say this part is an elaborate hoax, but I don't think it makes a difference in the message. The message is that Jesus showed us we don't have to be afraid of such things, that we can find salvation from them.

Under the working theory that you're Jesus (yeah, we're still going with that) who do you have to help you when you are suffering? Or sick? Or feeling rejected?

(Okay, I'll pass the burden to Neal after your next response, calling him Jesus instead...)

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

It's him! He's the one!!! (Frank gets chased after by large crowds)

Consider the context which Jesus is said to have grown up under, and you might get a better grasp on why some people are Christian.

Christianity has nothing to do with belief in God. That was nothing novel at Jesus's time. Judaism already had that, Zoroastrianism had two of them (one was bad). Islam made that point again by plagiarizing Judaism.

Christianity is about a number of things that Judaism/Islam/Zoroastrianism doesn't touch on:
1. Judaism is about salvation of the moral. But in first century AD/BC, even though a huge temple was built by Herod (I mean monstrous), it operated like a business, not a charity. Imagine this. You are so poor that you have to work on every day. But Israel has blue laws. You work on the Sabbath, the Jews declare you a sinner. Sinners have to buy a sacrifice to have their sins atoned. This involves buying a caged animal at the market (usually a dove, but ranging up to a sheep, or even a heifer), which is then slaughtered for your sins. Nothing else, they say, can forgive your sins. But now this took a good chunk of profit for your business. In fact, now you are in debt to a neighbor in addition to still having work on the Sabbath again. This time such sin "can't be forgiven" because you can't pay to play. This isn't a metaphor or something, this is actually the system they described. People were suffering under the Jewish sin business. What do people need salvation from? They need it from sin, or rather from the punishment of sin. This seems like no big deal to atheists and agnostics, but you are basically seen as a person of shame if you can't worship. You were an outcast.
2. In addition, these "sinners" (they're just poor) are joined by the unclean. This consists of those with serious psychological disorders ( "demon possessed") and those with skin conditions like psoriasis ("lepers" even if they weren't technically). These people couldn't enter the temple, even if they hadn't sinned under Jewish laws. They were unclean. In fact, a priest, who should have given at the very least some kind of word of blessing, instead kept about four cubits away (or 100 cubits, if the wind was blowing).
https://medium.com/christian-history-and-culture/social-distancing-in-the-bible-cff1a7c2e932
Because it was difficult to do that in a walled city like Jerusalem, they were typically OUTSIDE the city. They were also outcasts, rejected scum of the Earth.
3. During this time, Jews were also under Roman occupation. They had to pay a number of taxes.
https://www.julianspriggs.co.uk/Pages/taxation
You had a temple tax (which was to the priests instead of Rome, but after the fall of the temple, Rome made the Jews pay it for their temple of Jupiter), a land tax, a tribute tax, and a 2% to 5% customs tax on goods (as well as tolls). Some of these taxes had bigger penalties than others. You don't pay the temple tax to the Jews, you are another sinner and they expect you to offer an animal (see above) or be banned from worship. You don't pay the land tax, yoy lose your land. You don't pay the other taxes, you might be seen as a rebel and killed. By the way, the tribute tax involved a coin with Caesar's image, and it was basically an idol, so even though this tax was small, it represented some unconscionable. These taxes killed the public two ways: by driving them into poverty, and by threatening them with extreme brutality if they were unwilling or unable to pay.

It helps if you try to visualize all of this in a society.

It is not the existence of God that makes someone a Christian. It is the feeling of being loved, forgiven, and saved. Jesus flipped a table before it was cool, trying to put an end to animal sacrifices. Finally, the destruction of the Temple put an end to that (the Jews refuse Jesus, because they think he was supposed to rebuild the temple, not tear it down). He treated the sick and lepers through medicine and compassion (Jesus also had a sort of reiki thing going on), as did his followers. He saved people from rejection. Lastly, he showed people that even if you die, it isn't a big deal, removing their fear of Roman oppression. Now, you can say this part is an elaborate hoax, but I don't think it makes a difference in the message. The message is that Jesus showed us we don't have to be afraid of such things, that we can find salvation from them.

Under the working theory that you're Jesus (yeah, we're still going with that) who do you have to help you when you are suffering? Or sick? Or feeling rejected?

(Okay, I'll pass the burden to Neal after your next response, calling him Jesus instead...)

One...I have often been taken to be Jesus Christ long before this thread was posted. There are several bartenders and bouncers in New York City who have made that mistake, often loudly proclaiming, "Jesus Christ! Are you here again."

Two...if you want to blindly guess that there is a GOD...and that you must be "saved" from the wrath of that god, you are making even less sense than I have been suggesting you make.

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@Frank Apisa,

I knew it!

Hmmm, that you dodged the question of who is saving you. Am I correct in perceiving that you have never had anyone help you out?

Remember, what fundies think is meant by what by saved doesn't necessarily reflect what the rest of Christendom means by the term. What I mean by it is salvation from earthly troubles, since I'm a universalist and think everyone (who wants to) is saved for the afterlife.

You are hereby stripped of the role of Jesus, including from public houses and taverns. A group of secret service agents has been supplied to you from your former duties.

Wut? When you get elected you get secret service. Everybody gets secret service. You get secret service! And you get secret service! And you get secret service!

:oprah_pointing:

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

I knew it!

Hmmm, that you dodged the question of who is saving you. Am I correct in perceiving that you have never had anyone help you out?

Remember, what fundies think is meant by what by saved doesn't necessarily reflect what the rest of Christendom means by the term. What I mean by it is salvation from earthly troubles, since I'm a universalist and think everyone (who wants to) is saved for the afterlife.

You are hereby stripped of the role of Jesus, including from public houses and taverns. A group of secret service agents has been supplied to you from your former duties.

Wut? When you get elected you get secret service. Everybody gets secret service. You get secret service! And you get secret service! And you get secret service!

:oprah_pointing:

I repeat: If you want to blindly guess that there is a GOD...and that you must be "saved" from the wrath of that god, you are making even less sense than I have been suggesting you make.

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@bulmabriefs144,

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Zechariah's prophecy did not come to pass, nor has Revelation in over 2000 years. So either Zechariah was mentioning a false Christ, or his prophecy from the start was patent nonsense.

Zechariah's prophecy [11: 12-17] concerning the worthless shepherd that our Lord raised up in the land after he, who had filled the man Jesus with his spirit on the day he was baptised, and who revealed himself to the world through the words and miracles that he spoke and worked through his chosen earthly host body, was rejected by his chosen people who paid him the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver, was fulfilled when 'HIS' saviour, raised Jesus from death and allowed Emperor Constantine to establish his universal church, which persecuted not only the Jews, but any religious movement that disagreed with the doctrines of his bride, that great prostitute that sits on the seven hills of Rome.

As to his prophecy of the war to end all wars, [Chapter 14] when the Lord gathers all the nations around Jerusalem who would drive his chosen people into the sea and destroys them before establishing Jesus as King in Jerusalem, [Acts 17: 31] from where the Lord will judge the whole world with Justice for the thousand years Sabbath day by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Jerusalem, [Zech 14: 16-19] to where, all those who survive the greatest tribulation that this world has ever seen, will go there each year to worship the LORD Almighty as king, and to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. If any nation refuses to go and worship the LORD Almighty as king, then rain will not fall on their land. If the Egyptians refuse to celebrate the Festival of Shelters, then they will be struck by the same disease that the LORD will send on every nation that refuses to go. This will be the punishment that will fall on Egypt and on all the other nations if they do not celebrate the Festival of Shelters.

The prophecy of this coming war to end all wars, is also revealed by Isaiah and other prophets.

Isaiah 63: 1- 6; “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?”

“It is the LORD, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory.”
“Why is his clothing so red, like that of someone who tramples grapes to make wine?”

The LORD answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes, and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them. I poured out their lifeblood on the ground.”

Of course, Zechariah’s prophecy concerning the “GREAT DAY OF THE LORD” has not yet been fulfilled and nor will it be until the closing of the sixth day, which ushers in the seventh day, the Great Sabbath, “The day of the Lord.”

According to classical Jewish sources, the Hebrew year 6000 (from sunset of 29 September 2239 until nightfall of 16 September 2240 on the Gregorian calendar) marks the latest time for the initiation of the Messianic Age.

The Zohar states: In the 600th year of the sixth thousand, the gates of wisdom on high and the wellsprings of lower wisdom will be opened. This will prepare the world to enter the seventh thousand, just as man prepares himself toward sunset on Friday for the Sabbath.

Jubilees 4: 30; And he (ADAM) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ’On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason he did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.

We are now coming to the close of the sixth day, and the beginning of the Great Seventh Day Sabbath.

As to the book of Revelation, which was recorded by John who was carried in spirit to the Lord’s day, “The Great Sabbath," where he was commanded to record all that he witnessed, right up until the end of that day, when the prophecy as recorded in the book of Zephaniah is fulfilled, and heavenly fire destroys all physical life forms remaining on this planet, and even the seas of the earth are evaporated.

You poor fool, of course revelation has not yet been fulfilled.

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How can this Lord be the Savior of Jesus, when he is Jesus himself?

Acts 3: 18-21; God announced long ago through all the prophets that his Messiah had to suffer; and he made it come true in this way. Repent, then, and turn to God, so that he will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and he will send Jesus, who is the Messiah he has already chosen for you. He must remain in heaven until the time comes for all things to be made new, as God announced through his holy prophets who lived long ago.

You really don’t have a clue, do you sunshine? So, I will now leave you to stumble about in the darkness of your own creation.

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@Frank Apisa,

The phrase you are having trouble with is "must be".

Let's replace that on Word with "are already". Are already saved.

You must be saved from the wrath of God, come sit on the throne over here.

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@The Anointed,

Isn't it funny that it specifically pointed out a "shepherd", and then called him worthless?

This is kinda hard proof of Zechariah's status as an Antichrist. He lifts up the might and great, showing a strong lion-like type forcibly removing the adversaries of Israel.

I only read parts of Zechariah. I found it an unpleasant read, and not in the sort of "hard truth" teaching of Jeremiah, but actually that it glorified judgement and punishment. Always beware a prophet that tells a bloodthirsty public what they want to hear (Muhammad did).

But God lifts up the lowly, not those already on their thrones. He knocks the haughty from their thrones in fact.

In order to show you something, I'll make you acting Jesus on this thread. But, you are accountable for how you treat everyone. A strong and certain leader like you, who tells everyone what is and isn't the right way, how will you save everyone?

It turns out that being a shepherd isn't as worthless as you think. Vulnerability creates compassion.

Thousands of years have passed, and the Gentiles have moved from a "might makes right" society to one that largely wants to give the Jews their land. In fact, the only real opposition to that is the Muslims living nearby, and the so-called liberals, who oppose of this. Thousands of years of suffering plus an actual Holocaust, yes most of the West that isn't a descendant of old Rome or Babylon wants to treat the Jews right. The "worthless" shepherd has mostly succeeded in moving Israel's enemies from its land. But he also prevented the Jews from resuming their sacrifices.

Rightly did Jesus prophesy when he said, "I am the good shepherd." He then talked about hired hands and thieves, and those who came before tried to dteal and destroy.

Unlike Zechariah, Isaiah seemed to have good things to say, but this war to end all wars was already used in context to justify World War I. Such a war only served to make the world more troubled. I believe such a war could be mentioned under different circumstances, as the great war within us.

Zechariah is not performing as a prophet. Nothing he says can have an "alternate meaning", it just isn't right.

So, we've made you Jesus for the day. I've made you the Annointed :smirk: . I suppose I'll ask you why my sins are forgiven according to you? If the shepherd is worthless, then we have delegitimized his ability to forgive sins. (1) So you must answer on what authority can any sins be forgiven? Should we offer animals? What sacrifice would be worth a soul, as Fullmetal Alchemist also asks. (2) I'll also ask, if you have authority as the Anointed, would you make Ezekiel's temple appear to all or rebuild Herod's temple? I'll tell you what is involved in the first if you answer the first one.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

The phrase you are having trouble with is "must be".

Let's replace that on Word with "are already". Are already saved.

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hUiW7bOqGPA[/youtube]

You must be saved from the wrath of God, come sit on the throne over here.

I repeat: If you want to blindly guess that there is a GOD...and that you must be "saved" from the wrath of that god, you are making even less sense than I have been suggesting you make.

Why blindly guess a god that is such an abomination?

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@Frank Apisa,

Re (with changes): If you want to blindly guess that there is a GOD...and that you are already "saved" from the wrath of that god, you are making even less sense than I have been suggesting you make.

You see? I'm not sure how I'm making less sense.

You'll need to explain this wrath of god thing to me, cuz it's not mentioned in my Bible past the Old Testament.

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@bulmabriefs144,

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Re (with changes): If you want to blindly guess that there is a GOD...and that you are already "saved" from the wrath of that god, you are making even less sense than I have been suggesting you make.

You see? I'm not sure how I'm making less sense.

You'll need to explain this wrath of god thing to me, cuz it's not mentioned in my Bible past the Old Testament.

WHAT ARE YOU BEING SAVED FROM?

YOUR GOD...THE ONE YOU BLINDLY GUESS EXISTS...MUST SCARE THE MUSTARD OUT OF YOU, BECAUSE YOU NEED (OR NEEDED) SAVING.

Why not cut out the middle man...and all the suffering he has to do in order to save you? Just blindly guess the existence of a god that does not require you to be saved from anything?

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@bulmabriefs144,

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It turns out that being a shepherd isn't as worthless as you think.

That depends on which shepherd you are referring to, the good shepherd? the wicked shepherd? or the worthless shepherd that God raised up in the land to guide the stubborn flock that he abandoned after they had rejected him and paid HE, who had filled the man Jesus with HIS spirit [in order to reveal himself to the world,] the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver, see Zechariah 11: 12-17.

I presume that you accept the Gospel of Matthew as the truth, and there is a prophecy of the Lord in the NT concerning the raising up of that Shepherd.

In Matthew 27: 9-10; we read; “Then what was spoken by (Jeremiah) the prophet was fulfilled: "They took the thirty pieces of silver, the price set on him by the people of Israel, and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the LORD commanded me."

The words here quoted are not in any copy of Jeremiah extant. But they bear a strong resemblance to the words of Zechariah 11:12-13. And it seems, from a remark of Augustine, that the original copies of Matthew 27: 9-11; in his time named no prophet, but that Matthew 27: 9-19, originally said; “That which was spoken by ‘THE PROPHET’ was fulfilled: "They took the thirty pieces of silver, the price set on him by the people of Israel, and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the LORD commanded me." Indeed, it is believed that the name (Jeremiah) was erroneously inserted by some much later officious transcriber.

“That which was spoken by ‘THE PROPHET’ was fulfilled: "They took the thirty pieces of silver, the price set on him by the people of Israel, and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the LORD commanded me." THE PROPHET being Zechariah 11: 12 to 17.

Zechariah 11:12-17 New King James Version (NKJV) Then I said to them, “If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.

And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD for the potter. 14 Then I cut in two my other staff, Bonds, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

And the LORD said to me, “Next, take for yourself the implements of a foolish shepherd. For indeed I will raise up a shepherd in the land who will not care for those who are cut off, nor seek the young, nor heal those that are broken, nor feed those that still stand. But he will eat the flesh of the fat and tear their hooves in pieces.
“Woe to the worthless shepherd,
Who leaves the flock!
A sword shall be against his arm
And against his right eye;
His arm shall completely wither,
And his right eye shall be totally blinded.”

Oh you shepherd of the darkness, who claim God sent you out
And even though we know that’s true, that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages ‘cross the floor,
Those thirty bits of silver, for I’ll guide this flock no more
A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide this stubborn flock
And he will be a useless one, of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones, nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep. And their hooves? He tears them off
That worthless shepherd, he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power, will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry, then drop
And his right eye will I turn Blind, that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven—twelve to seventeen.

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So, we've made you Jesus for the day. I've made you the Annointed :smirk: . I suppose I'll ask you why my sins are forgiven according to you?

It was the ‘SON OF MAN” our Lord God and saviour, who had filled his servant Jesus with his spirit, and who spoke his words of salvation through his servant Jesus, who worked his mighty miracles through Jesus, and who forgave the sins of those who turned to HIM, through Jesus.

And so, my answer to you is. I don’t l know if the biblical God of Jesus, who said to Moses; in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish, etc,” has forgiven you for all the harsh words you have spoken against Him, as revealed in the Epistle of Jude who was of the family of Mary and the carpenter, where it is written.

“It was Enoch, the direct descendant from Adam, who long ago prophesied this about them: “The Lord will come with many thousands of his holy angels to bring judgement on all, to condemn them all for the godless deeds they have performed and for all the terrible words that godless sinners have spoken against him!”

This is the same event of which Jesus himself spoke of in Matthew 25: 31; “When the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels with him, he will sit on his royal throne, 32and the people of all the nations will be gathered before him. Then he will divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the righteous people on his right and the others on his left. 34Then the King will say to the people on his right, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and possess the kingdom which has been prepared for you ever since the creation of the world.

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels!

And so, I, who am a man as WAS Jesus, do not know whether you will be standing on the right or the left of our lord God and saviour. “THE SON OF MAN.”

BTW bulma, who was it according to the scriptures, who raised the physical body of the man Jesus from death?

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@bulmabriefs144,

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You'll need to explain this wrath of god thing to me, cuz it's not mentioned in my Bible past the Old Testament.

Romans 1:18; For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

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If Jesus returned he'd probably become greatly depressed because a whole religion was built around the misunderstanding of what he was saying. That he was turned into a supernatural being would be the greatest affront. He wouldn't be surprised though, having experienced the same misunderstanding during his lifetime. He would be disconcerted, to say the least, at what has been done in his name.

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@coluber2001,

If anyone misunderstands what Jesus was saying, it is you 'coluber', do you even know what Jesus said and if so, how do you know what he said?

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@The Anointed,

If he was a mystic, and I suspect that he was, we all know what mystics say or don't say. Anything else is bullshit.

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@coluber2001,

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If he was a mystic, and I suspect that he was,

Nice to see that you believe that he existed. And the only reason you can believe that he did exist, is because you believe the words of those who bore witness to his existence.

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we all know what mystics say or don't say.

Do we now?

And what did those, whose written records of his life, whose records you believe, record what he had said and done in his life on earth?

I very much doubt that you even know what he said 'coluber'.

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