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Authors of the Gospels

 
 
Sun 26 Oct, 2025 03:05 pm
My analysis finds that three of the Gospels are eyewitness testimonies about Jesus and one is a creation of false teachers to help the take control of the beginning church of Jesus Christ.
 
edgarblythe
 
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Sun 26 Oct, 2025 03:58 pm
@Investigator,
Prove it.
The Anointed
 
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Sun 26 Oct, 2025 04:09 pm
@Investigator,
Quote:
My analysis finds that three of the Gospels are eyewitness testimonies about Jesus and one is a creation of false teachers to help the take control of the beginning church of Jesus Christ.


And who are the false teachers that you are referring to? Are they the three Gospel authors who recorded their eyewitness testimonies about Jesus, or are you referring to some un-named others?
Investigator
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 02:13 am
@edgarblythe,
First prove to me that three of them are Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
Investigator
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 02:16 am
@The Anointed,
According to Daniel and Revelation prophecy, the group of false teachers who is also referred to as the beast and the Mother of All Prostitutes, is the Catholic Church.
edgarblythe
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 05:12 am
@Investigator,
You made the assertion. The burden is on you.
hightor
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 05:26 am
@Investigator,
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My analysis finds...

Reinterpreting mythological texts from long ago doesn't prove anything and merely adds to the volumes of nonsensical claptrap that have already been foisted on gullible people for two thousand years.
Investigator
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 06:03 pm
@Investigator,
I make that comment because there is no evidence to prove that those men authored the Gospels. The first step in realizing that eyewitnesses of Jesus wrote three of the Gospels is to prove it to yourself that the stated authors named Matthew, Mark, and Luke are fictional stories of tradition because there is no evidence to support them.
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Investigator
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 06:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
Reinterpreting mythological texts from long ago doesn't prove anything and merely adds to the volumes of nonsensical claptrap that have already been foisted on gullible people for two thousand years.
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Investigator
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 06:08 pm
@hightor,
They are far from being mythological texts. A document analysis indicates that they are eyewitness testimony and the contents of them can be used to identify the authors. In addition, my analysis of miracles in the Gospels-including about half of the resurrection accounts, prove that Jesus rose from the dead.
The Anointed
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 07:06 pm
@Investigator,
Luke, like his companion Saul, who was later named Paul, never knew the living man Jesus and wrote his Gospel according to the stories told by others who had known the man Jesus.

Mark who is believed to be the son of Peter, and John the beloved disciple and nephew of Jesus, being one of the two sons of Salome, one of the sisters of Jesus who had married Zebedee.

And Matthew who knew that Mary was pregnant, before Joseph ben Jacob consummated his union with her, only after she had given birth to her firstborn son Jesus, the biological son of her half-brother Joseph ben Heli AKA Alexander Helios, who was the father of both Mary and her half-brother Joseph by different mothers.

And it was Matthew who said; “Now all this happened to make come true the words of the prophet (Isaiah) ‘An unmarried woman will conceive and bear a son and he shall be called Immanuel, which means God (Who filled the man Jesus with his spirit on the day of his baptism) is with us. For everyone who has ever seriously studied the scriptures knows that Isaiah never did say that a virgin would conceive, etc.
glitterbag
 
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Mon 27 Oct, 2025 07:41 pm
@Investigator,
Investigator wrote:

According to Daniel and Revelation prophecy, the group of false teachers who is also referred to as the beast and the Mother of All Prostitutes, is the Catholic Church.



So if the Catholic Church wasn't established, we would all be Jewish. Stick that in your pipe.
The Anointed
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2025 01:26 am
@glitterbag,
Why would we be Jewish? There were many Christian bodies before Constantine established the Roman church as the one belief that all others should agree with.
edgarblythe
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2025 09:05 am
@The Anointed,
Constantine did not establish the Catholic Church
Constantine did not establish the Catholic Church, but he played a significant role in its organization. In 325 AD, he convened the First Council of Nicaea, which aimed to address theological disputes and resulted in the establishment of the Nicene Creed, a foundational statement of faith for many Christian denominations, including the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church considers itself a continuation of the early Christian community established by the Disciples of Jesus, dating back to the day of Pentecost. Additionally, the term "Catholic" was used before Constantine's time, indicating that the Church existed prior to his influence. Thus, while Constantine was instrumental in shaping the Church's structure, he did not create it.
The Anointed
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2025 04:02 pm
@edgarblythe,
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Constantine did not establish the Catholic Church


Thank you for agreeing with me old mate. It was Emperor Constantine who decided to personally summon all the opposing and quarrelling Christian leaders to the first ever ‘World Council’. This included the 'UNIVERSAL' i.e. Catholic church.
The date was 325 AD, in the town of Nicaea, where Constantine was to resolve the bitter source of contention between those differing bodies of beliefs.

After Constantine the Judge, had made his decision on which belief the Christians should follow, he urged all council delegates to sign the revised formula as a statement of faith on which all Christians should in the future agree. From the book--- “Jesus The Evidence,” by Ian Wilson. P. 144. “The Middle Ages, for the Jews at least, began with the advent to power of Constantine the Great. He was the first Roman Emperor to issue laws which radically limited the rights of the Jews as citizens’ of the Roman Empire, a right conferred on them by Caracalla in 212. As Constantine’s church grew in power it influenced the emperors to limit further the civil and political rights of the Jews.

But if times were again difficult for the Jews, for the Christian Gnostics and other fringe groups they were impossible. The books of Arius and his sympathizers were ordered to be burnt, and a reign of terror proclaimed for all those who did not conform with the new official Christian line decided upon by Emperor Constantine.
:Understand now by this present statute, Novatians, Valentinians, Marcionites, Paulinians, you who are called Cataphrygians. . . . with what a tissue of lies and vanities, with what destructive and venomous errors, your doctrines are inextricably woven! We give you warning . . . .Let none of you presume, from this time forward, to meet in congregations. To prevent this, we command that you be deprived of all the houses in which you have been accustomed to meet . . . . and that these house’s, should be handed over immediately to the catholic/ i.e. universal church.

Within a generation, hardly leaving a trace of their existence for posterity, the great majority of these groups simply died away as successive Christian emperors reiterated the policies that Constantine had pursued.”
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Investigator
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2025 04:32 pm
@The Anointed,
What you have written is heresy--there is no eyewitness testimony that proves those stories to be true. The author of the Gospel of Luke admittedly was not an eyewitness and the author never mentioned his sources therefore it is not testimony that can be used to prove Jesus. On the other hand, the contents of the Gospel of Matthew prove that it was written by Nicodemus, Mark was written by James the brother of John, and John was written by John Zebedee. There are three eyewitness testimonies proving that Jesus is the resurrected Son of God.
Investigator
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2025 04:37 pm
@glitterbag,
The founders of the Catholic church infiltrated the group of disciples that were starting the church and took control of it. Mark chapter 13 provides the account of Jesus warning his chosen disciples about what would happen. Revelation even tells you how the Catholics would take control of the New Covenant of Jesus. They are the beast who survived a fatal wound. Jesus told Peter he would be executed--he received a fatal wound. The Catholics stole the church using the name of Peter!
The Anointed
 
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Tue 28 Oct, 2025 06:10 pm
@Investigator,
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Mark was written by James the brother of John, and John was written by John Zebedee. There are three eyewitness testimonies proving that Jesus is the resurrected Son of God.


And you have evidence that Mark is one and the same person as James the elder who was killed by Herrod Agrippa, do you?

It was this Herod who enjoyed the support and adoration of the Jewish authorities, who did all in his power to crush the infant Jewish Apostolic Church.

It was he who executed James the elder, one of the two sons of Zebedee whose wife, is Salome, the eldest of the sisters of Jesus, and a close friend of Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod’s minister of finances, who was one of the women who supported Jesus using their own resources. And Agrippa would have killed Peter also, had he not have escaped from prison. Agrippa’s sudden death in 44 AD is recorded in Acts 12: 21-23.

It was James the elder and John the beloved disciple who were nephews of Jesus and it was their mother 'SALOME' who knew that her brother Jesus was being groomed by the Zealots to become the next king to inherit the throne of David, who asked her brother, if her two sons might sit on the right and left of his throne when he received his kingdom.
Investigator
 
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Wed 29 Oct, 2025 02:39 am
@The Anointed,
Jesus assigned four disciples, James, John, Peter, and Andrew to document their testimony (Mark 13:3 and 10). The testimony was to be documented before their persecution began (Mark 13:9 and 11) and their persecution started in 33 AD (Acts 8:1).

Do you have any proof of the claims you made about Zebedee's mother being the "eldest sister of Jesus" and "close friend of Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's minister of finances"?

The personal details in the Gospel of Mark such as him and his brother John being the Sons of Thunder and having a fishing business then meeting Jesus for the first time in a boat with employees proves the author to the James. There is other evidence in that Gospel too.
The Anointed
 
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Wed 29 Oct, 2025 05:03 am
@Investigator,
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Do you have any proof of the claims you made about Zebedee's mother being the "eldest sister of Jesus"


You're definitely a mixed up kid mate, why would I have proof of a claim I never made? Salome the sister of Jesus and mother of James the elder and young John the beloved disciple was the wife of Zebedee who was the father of her two sons.

Salome the sister of Jesus was friends with a group of supporters who would travel with Jesus whenever he traveled around Galilee where he lived, or down to Jerusalem for the major Festivals. That group of friends included Mary Magdalene, the full sister of Joseph ben Heli the father of Jesus and sister-in-law to Mary the mother of Jesus, plus her half-sister as she too was born of Alexander Helios aka Heli to another woman other than Hanna the grand-mother of Jesus.
Plus Joanna, whose husband was Chuza, an Officer in Herod's court: and Sussana and many other women who used their own resources to help Jesus and his disciples. SEE Luke 8: 3.

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The personal details in the Gospel of Mark such as him and his brother John being the Sons of Thunder and having a fishing business then meeting Jesus for the first time in a boat with employees proves the author to the James. There is other evidence in that Gospel too.


The fact that Mark, who is believed to be the son of Peter, spoke of James and his brother John being named "Sons of thunder" by their uncle Jesus, does not make the author of that Gospel James. See also Mark 10: 35-45

Next thing you will be telling me that Matthew is also James, because he also speaks of James asking his uncle Jesus, if he and his brother John could sit on the right and left of his throne. SEE Matthew 20;20:21.
 

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