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Romney comments- 47% freeloaders?

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 11:03 am
@cicerone imposter,
Consumer confidence announced this week or last was a huge surprise, 5 points higher than expected. It was probably last week before the market took off.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 02:46 pm
Headline in this morning's Hawaii Tribune-Herald: "Lingle rejects Romney remarks." Former Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican running for the U.S. Senate this year, has just distanced herself from the toxicity of being associated with the GOP presidential hopeful. Says outright she disagrees with Romney and thinks that the "47%" are victims deserving of government help.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 02:50 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Retired people are victims? I hope she didn't say that for her sake since she too will one day be the victim of growing old.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 04:09 pm
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/384345_433149253388318_495673765_n.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 04:30 pm
@Butrflynet,
And what's funnier is that people are paying $50,000 to hear him lie.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2012 06:41 am
Ezra Klein wrote:
Rs have spent years cutting income taxes and increasing things like the Child tax Credit. This means fewer people pay income taxes.



So whenever you hear a stat like "47% don't pay income taxes," remember: Reagan and Bush helped build that.



These tax cuts for the poor were partly in order to make further tax cuts for the rich political[ly] palatable.



But now that fewer people pay income taxes as a result of GOP policies, they’re being called lazy and dependent.



And thus the GOP's tax cuts are being used to make a case that the rich are overtaxed and that the less-rich are becoming dependent



Which thus leads to a policy agenda of tax cuts for the rich and cuts to social services for the non-rich.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2012 06:46 am
: nearly all Americans — 96 percent — have relied on the federal government to assist them.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2012 06:52 am
@revelette,
I guess I am a 3%er.
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2012 07:03 am
@McGentrix,
So you never got a tax deduction?

Quote:
Most had also benefited from three policies in which government’s role was “submerged,” meaning that it was channeled through the tax code or private organizations, like the home mortgage-interest deduction and the tax-free status of the employer contribution to employees’ health insurance. The design of these policies camouflages the fact that they are social benefits, too, just like the direct benefits that help Americans pay for housing, health care, retirement and college.

The use of government social policies cuts across partisan divides. Some policies were used more often by members of one party or the other. Republicans were more likely to have used the G.I. Bill and Social Security retirement and survivors’ benefits, while more Democrats had taken advantage of Medicaid and unemployment insurance. Overall, 82 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans acknowledged receipt of at least one direct social benefit. More Republicans (92 percent) than Democrats (86 percent) had taken advantage of submerged policies. Once we take both types of policies into account, the seeming distinction between makers and takers vanishes: 97 percent of Republicans and 98 percent of Democrats report that they have used at least one government social policy.

The majority of individuals from households at every income level have used at least one direct social policy. Low-income people have used more of the direct policies than have the affluent: the average household with income under $10,000 per year used four of them, compared to only one by the households at $150,000 and above. But the proportions were reversed in the case of the submerged policies: wealthy families had typically used three of them, and the poor just one.

There were also few partisan differences in how long individuals had benefited. Among policies used by similar percentages of Democrats and Republicans, like the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit and tax credits for college tuition, members of both parties received the benefits for the same average amount of time. The same was true for policies that benefited one group of partisans more than the other. For example, although the mortgage-interest deduction was claimed by more Republicans and the earned-income tax credit by more Democrats, both claimed the benefits for two to five years on average. Similarly, Republicans who relied on the G.I. Bill did so for about as long as did Democrats who claimed unemployment insurance benefits.

Where Americans actually differ is in how they think about government’s role in their lives. A major driving factor here is ideology: conservatives were less likely than liberals to respond affirmatively when asked if they had ever used a “government social program,” even when both subsequently acknowledged using the same number of specific policies.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2012 10:10 am
@revelette,
That's because so many conservatives believe the BS that a) government spends too much on social programs, b) the deficit is growing too fast - while they support wars that costs billions that's not paid for, and c) they don't want to transfer wealth from the rich to the poor - but it's okay to transfer the growing deficit to our children and grandchildren.

There's no cure .......
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2012 10:16 am
@cicerone imposter,
From the NYT.
Quote:
Polls Show Obama Is Widening His Lead in Ohio and Florida
By JIM RUTENBERG and JEFF ZELENY

COLUMBUS, Ohio — For weeks, Republicans in Ohio have been watching with worry that the state’s vital 18 electoral votes were trending away from Mitt Romney. The anxiety has been similar in Florida, where Republicans are concerned that President Obama is gaining the upper hand in the fight for the state’s 29 electoral votes.

Those fears are affirmed in the findings of the latest Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News polls of likely voters in both states, which show that Mr. Obama has widened his lead over Mr. Romney and is outperforming him on nearly every major campaign issue, even though about half said they were disappointed in Mr. Obama’s presidency.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2012 10:32 am
@cicerone imposter,
Romney again,
Quote:

Romney: ‘My heart aches’ for struggling Americans

'I care about the people in America,' he said. 'And the difference between me and President Obama is I know what to do.'


How many flip-flops is one man allowed before he's run out of the 'room'? Mr. Green
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2012 09:22 am
Mitt Romney's 47 Percent Remark Hurts Him In Swing States

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WASHINGTON -- A new wave of polls offer a closer look at the political aftermath of Mitt Romney's comments on the "47 percent," with an overwhelming number of voters responding that they both knew of the now-infamous video of Romney at a private fundraiser and viewed him less favorably as a result. The Republican presidential nominee has been widely criticized for saying that nearly half of Americans back President Barack Obama because they are government-dependent "victims" who believe they are "entitled" to health care, food and housing.

Voters have a mostly negative reaction toward the 47-percent comments at a time when the president appears to be widening his lead across swing states. The latest findings are also consistent with other national surveys taken in the days immediately after the video was widely reported, but paint a more troubling picture of the impact those remarks may have had on Romney's standing with independent voters.

On a national scale, 54 percent of registered voters viewed Romney’s comments unfavorably, while only 33 percent saw them in a favorable light, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll released Wednesday. Fifty-seven percent of independents had a negative reaction.


(rest at the source)
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2012 09:38 am
@revelette,
Quote:
On a national scale, 54 percent of registered voters viewed Romney’s comments unfavorably


Only 54 percent frown on those comments amazing in and of itself.
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2012 09:49 am
@BillRM,
I agree, however, I am cautiously encouraged that among independents 57% had unfavorable reactions to the 47% remarks.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2012 09:51 am
@BillRM,
Amazing indeed! Is their brains in working order?
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Fri 28 Sep, 2012 11:16 am
@BillRM,
Those 54pc think they're paying all the taxes, screw the others.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Sep, 2012 11:22 am
@IRFRANK,
Let's see; 57% and 47% equals......

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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 29 Sep, 2012 09:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
How many flip-flops is one man allowed before he's run out of the 'room'?


He should be "run out of the room" for flip flopping but if he made it to the w.h. he'll be lauded and then given a fat pension and all manner of speaking engagements for committing crimes against humanity, his acts of terrorism.

Pretty damn surreal, ain't it, CI?
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