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Romney comments- 47% freeloaders?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2012 05:49 pm
@revelette,
Who is taking care of all the Iraqi, Afghan, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Nicaraguan, Korean, Chilean, Brazilian, ... children and adults, whose lives the US mercilessly destroyed?
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2012 08:38 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

The statement that --"Clearly you don't have a clue about the tax structure" is self evidently worthless.

It is worth more than your statement about taxes that I was responding to. Your statement doesn't reflect the actual tax structure for items sold in the US for use in manufacturing or resale.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 04:48 am
@parados,
List the tax points from digging the iron ore to the engine in the boat .
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 06:32 am
From a conservative standpoint:

Quote:
The problem with Mitt Romney’s comments about the 47 percent of Americans who don’t pay taxes isn’t just that they are highly misleading and damaging politically. They also severely misstate and undermine conservative principles at a time when many Americans desperately want an alternative to Obamaism.

Conservatism at its heart believes in the individual. We believe that every person has the capacity to devise a life of her or his own choosing, and that untoward government activity both channels and throttles a person’s ability to flourish. That is true whether someone is rich, poor or average; whether a person wants to climb the highest mountains or dwell in the deepest valleys.

When I came of political age in the late 1970s, conservatism was led by two giants, Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp. Each came from humble backgrounds; each had known real adversity and expressed genuine empathy for the common man. Both had created uncommon lives for themselves. But neither thought that the people from the neighborhoods they left were anything but decent and honorable Americans, no matter how much they paid in taxes.

In their hands, conservatism ceased to be a theoretical oddity or academic exercise. It became the vital life force of American politics, the prism through which Americans could see their futures happily unfolding.

Central to this achievement was an obvious respect for the innate dignity of the average American. Kemp’s manifest passion for improving the lot of the poor endeared him to many who disagreed with his prescriptions. Reagan’s regard was less impassioned in his manner but just as profound.

And in Reagan’s view, ordinary people were capable of greatness. There was Lenny Skutnik, who plunged from obscurity into the icy waters of the Potomac to save passengers from a downed flight. There were ordinary GI Joes whose courage on the beaches of Normandy (or, today, in the valleys of Afghanistan) protect civilization.

It wasn’t so long ago that mainstream conservatism represented these values. We indexed income brackets and personal exemptions to inflation in the early 1980s to protect middle- and low-income families. Conservatives created the child tax credit in 1997 and expanded it in 2001 to reduce the tax burden for parents. In the past decade, we championed a flat tax that contained a generous exemption for a family of four, precisely so those least able to pay would not be forced to.

I believe the mainstream conservative still believes in these things. But when Romney divides the world into makers and takers and presumes that our ability to pay federal income tax is a measure of which group we belong to, he sends a different message. He implicitly tells average Americans that their quiet work doesn’t “make” America unless they are entrepreneurs who make enough money. Worse, he tells them that their lives aren’t even dignified, that they are “takers” who are unable to exercise personal responsibility over their lives.


more at the source

revelette
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 06:47 am
Quote:

Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It

LINDSTROM, Minn. — Ki Gulbranson owns a logo apparel shop, deals in jewelry on the side and referees youth soccer games. He makes about $39,000 a year and wants you to know that he does not need any help from the federal government.

He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

There is little poverty here in Chisago County, northeast of Minneapolis, where cheap housing for commuters is gradually replacing farmland. But Mr. Gulbranson and many other residents who describe themselves as self-sufficient members of the American middle class and as opponents of government largess are drawing more deeply on that government with each passing year.


source
parados
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 07:37 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

List the tax points from digging the iron ore to the engine in the boat .

Since you are the one that claimed the taxes exist perhaps you should list them. If you can't list them then I suppose we can assume your statement was incorrect.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 08:08 am
@parados,
I could list them if I had the time and inclination. There are a large number and they are interwoven with a fiendish complexity in order to maintain the aristocracy of the US in the manner sanctioned by history without anybody hardly noticing due to the affectations of jeans, open-necked shirts, (not shorts--I don't think those are considered necessary yet), buying a hamburger for the cameras, and "talking ordinary like". Quite unlike George Washington.

I dare say that the first bite of the digger into the virgin soil of a future iron ore mine has already accumulated a sufficient amount of tax to fund a lavish dinner.

Why do people think that Mr Romney is being economical with the truth when he's on TV and then suddenly honest when talking to the money men?

Bismark is supposed to have said that "politics is like sausages--you don't want to know how it's done."

Gushing tantrums are the mark of political naivete.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 08:29 am
@spendius,
Mr Romney's comments possibly derive from the same source as did those of Alexander Hamilton who said of the rich--

Quote:
Their vices are probably more favorable to the prosperity of the State than those if the indigent, and partake less of moral depravity.


"The bastard son of a Scotch pedlar" was how John Adams described Mr Hamilton.

And John Jay said --" those who own the country ought to govern it".
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 08:31 am
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/251684_4124129593174_600267793_n.jpg

Found at Facebook.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 09:03 am
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/20/opinion/ghilarducci-mcgahey-romney/index.html

Basic, but clear article.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 09:05 am
@spendius,
When you can't provide any facts in support of your previous mewling just bloviate.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 09:40 am
@parados,
That's a fact about the taxes paid on the digging machine and the deisel fuel that powers it. Can't you go from there to the purring engine of the steam yacht all on your own or would you rather be led by the hand.

It's your girl's school playground assertions that lack any semblance of reality.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 10:03 am
@spendius,
What taxes were paid on the digging machine? It's actually a tax deduction if used for business.

Deisel fuel used for those digging machines is exempt from fuel taxes which are for vehicles on roads.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_off-road_diesel_and_highway_diesel

You seem quite familiar girl's school playground. Do you go and talk the 6 year olds out of their lunch money?
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 10:56 am
@parados,
When you feel the need to stoop that low you lose me.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 01:54 pm
@spendius,
So you take us to the girl's school playground and then you think it's low for me to follow you there?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 02:03 pm
@revelette,
Some people refuse to acknowledge their own hypocrisy.

Gulbranson speaks with forked tongue.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 03:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Romney said he won't take god out of his heart, but he will treat 47% of Americans as freeloaders.

What's wrong with this picture?
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 05:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I imagine that most objective observers might well think 47% is an underestimation of the number of freeloaders.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 05:34 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
most objective observers?
Who might those observers be?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 05:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Christian conservatives.
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