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Does freedom of speech excuse preaching hate?

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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 03:41 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

You can wish me whatever you want Fluff, and I'll return it in the same spirit.


By calling me "Fluff," you are trivializing the name of one of your past king's favorite hunting spaniels.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 05:55 pm
@izzythepush,
I've never been much of a Royalist.
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xxxx
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 09:04 pm
@izzythepush,
This protest has spread towards the Muslim communities in Indonesia. I wonder how many people that are protesting and saying "Death to America" has actually seen the video?.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 09:34 pm
@xxxx,
xxxx wrote:
This protest has spread towards the Muslim communities in Indonesia. I wonder how many people that are protesting and saying "Death to America" has actually seen the video?.


I believe the extended trailer is on the internet, and a version translated to Arabic is also on the internet.

I don't know if many Indonesians speak Arabic, but a good number of them probably speak English. So the extended trailer is just a download away.


As for the full movie, I believe it has only been played once in a single theater, and fewer than 20 people attended the showing.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 11:28 pm
@oralloy,
The full version was online on the website of that German party. They seem to have pulled it now.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 01:41 am
@xxxx,
I doubt many of them have, there's a lot of resentment going back years and years, Suharto's brutal dictatorship lasted 31 years and enjoyed the full support of America.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 02:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The full version was online on the website of that German party. They seem to have pulled it now.


Are you sure about that? The full version would be the length of a regular movie: 2 hours (or at least 1½ hours).

If it was only about 20 minutes long, that was the extended trailer.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 02:06 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I doubt many of them have, there's a lot of resentment going back years and years,
Suharto's brutal dictatorship lasted 31 years and enjoyed the full support of America.
Suharto was a lot better than Sukarno.
Do u argue that we shud have overthrown him ?





David
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 03:11 am
@oralloy,
Yes, according to media. (They plan to show it in a cinema in November.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 04:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You now must register and - as said on their website - will get a link for download in November.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 05:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I'm just pointing out a long term grievance. Whether or not it would have been prudent to overthrow him at the time is another matter entirely, but we probably shouldn't have given him so much support or sold him so many weapons.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 05:59 am
@izzythepush,
We coud consider RENTing.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 06:02 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The international Arms trade has a vested interest in war, and it's a very powerful lobbying influence on both sides of the Atlantic. It's a pernicious influence.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 06:08 am
@izzythepush,
Everyone shud be free to actively defend his own interests.
Thay fill a market need. The Law of Supply & Demand is the true Supreme Law of the Land.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 06:18 am
@OmSigDAVID,
In a world of perfect competition you might have a point, but the cartels and monopolies that make up the arms industry severely distort the laws of supply and demand.

Overall human rights are more important than economic considerations.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 06:30 am
@izzythepush,
Overall human rights include
the rights of humans to defend themselves.

I am leaving to attend a book signing
by US Supreme Court Justice Scalia in an hour,
whereat I intend to discuss that with him.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 06:37 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Overall human rights include
the rights of humans to defend themselves.


So would preclude the rights of dictators to use Western supplied weapons to brutally suppress popular dissent?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 07:37 am
@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Overall human rights include
the rights of humans to defend themselves.
izzythepush wrote:

So would preclude the rights of dictators
to use Western supplied weapons to brutally suppress popular dissent?
Do thay HAVE those rights ??

C u later.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 07:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Some of them act as if they do.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2012 07:52 am
@Foofie,
I do think it's priceless that you feel that if I've likened you to a dog, it's the dog that's been insulted.
 

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