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Does freedom of speech excuse preaching hate?

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 03:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Point of fact: pedophilia is defined as the desire to have sex with, or the gaining of erotic energy from, the very young. This does not apply to me, as my interest is getting sexual freedom back to teens.


Pathetic rationalization.

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Point of fact: I am not emotional about the muslim problem, what you hare seeing is exasperation with the bleeding heart idiocy of Americans, who in my opinion have both largely lost the will to fight for what is important as well as lost the knowledge of what is important.


And yet, all you've done is respond to the emotionalism of some Americans, but haven't articulated what is it, exactly, that you are fighting for, that you regard as important, in regard to the issues at hand concerning the Middle East.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 04:05 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The Crusades (Fourth Crusade excepted) were legitimate wars of justified self defense against Islamic aggression, and there was nothing exploitative about them.
The first was because "the West" didn't understand the translatio imperii- all the others just followed. (I wonder, why you named explicitly the 4th crusade - the 5th certainly would have been here better for your "ideology".)
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 04:09 pm
@oralloy,
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It is neither nonsense, nor bigotry, nor stupid,


Yes, it is Oralboy. It's just an overload of Uncle Sam's jism leaking from your stuffed gob.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 04:13 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Minding "it's own business" to the West in regard to its intervention in the Middle East is Western imperialism to the Middle East, sociopathic rationalizations notwithstanding.


Well, if the Muslims think it is "Western imperialism" when Muslims attack someone who is minding their own business, the solution is simple: lots more drone strikes.


Q.E.D.

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It is neither nonsense, nor bigotry, nor stupid, to point out the reality that the reason Muslims run around murdering people, is because they are Muslims.


And this is merely a redundant bigoted stupidity.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 04:48 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Can we have a conversation without referencing your founding fathers



Of course we can, but when you attack American principles it is hardly superflouous to point out the bais of our founding. No doubt this irritates you, but.... tough ****.

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...some of us in Europe are actually making our own decisions instead of being being bullied by you lot


As we sometimes say here: No **** Sherlock!

Make all of your folly based descisions. It is perfectly your right to do so, but please, please, please in so doing tell my country that you reject our spending our paying our tax dollars on defending your independent asses.

When the UK has to decide between spending money on defense (without American subsidies) and social programs, I will be quite interested in how you folks argue.

Brits like izzy refuse to accept that the US is, is in effect, helping to fund your socialism.

No doubt you will will be all for us withdrawing any and all defensive support for the UK, and in that we will finally agree.

However, if our mutual wish comes true, it will only be good for my country and bad for yours.

I'm more than happy to leave it to you Brits to decide how important defense is when you alone are paying for it.


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You must have been very upset when those same 'feckless' forces in your own country put an end to Jim Crow and lynching.


Oh God Lord izzy, you seem to have an intellectual focus limited to the last 150 years or so. Quite surprising for a Brit who usually prides themseves in the scope of their historical experience and understanding.

The feckless Adminsitration that currently hold power in my nation had absolutely nothing to do with anything before 2008 and most certainly nothing to do with Jim Crow laws.

Do you really want to engage in a tit for tat between your country and mine based on past actions?

If so, let's have at it.

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Still, lots of your fascist buddies are working hard to reinstate Jim Crow, and if Romney gets in, you'll probably have a few lynchings to look forward too.


You couldn't be more of a vile horse's ass than with this comment. You've taken yourself to a new low.

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As accurate as most of your imperialist dogma...


You've really revealed yourself to be a senseles puppet of the Left. You've so well adopted all the correct buzz-words.

And yet, no doubt, you consider yourself a free-thinker.

A pathetic irony.

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Far from our hate crime legislation being used to appease Moslems, a lot of Moslem extremists are falling foul of it, this is the most recent conviction.


Does this make sense to anyone?

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A teenager has been found guilty of posting an offensive Facebook message following the deaths of six British soldiers in Afghanistan.


And you buy this ****. This teenage and not the bastards who killed your men was responsible?

There's no point debating issues with someone whose values are so warped.

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For the record I have always said that anti-Semitism has no place in a just solution for Palestine, but why bother with the truth when you can make things up? We know how things like 'facts' and 'truth' are 'Socialist,' and you've got no time for such nonsense.


Your record is seriously questionable, and this self serving comment in no way excuses the anti-Semitism you have repeatedly exhibited.

Perhaps it's not fair to suggest you are anti-Semitic, but you certainly are blindly anti-Israel, and how different, really, are the two?

In any case, what is happening in the Middle East right now has has much to do about Israel as it does to do with the offending YouTube vidio of American Coptics.

If there is legitimate criticism of Israel policies (and no doubt there is) it gets totally lost in the critics implicit or explict endorsement of the violent actions of terrorists who are using all of this to garner power for themselves, and couldn't care less about the specific policies of one nation or another.

No doubt you will argue vociferously against it, but you are a tool for these extemists...as Useful Idiot as Lenin said.




Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 04:53 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I admit that when I originally posted I was under the impression that Jones was involved in the production of the film as opposed to the promotion. You waited until the facts became clearer before posting, believing it gave you some sort of advantage. That's how stupid you really are.


So gunga who waited until the facts were known before he posted was "really stupid," while you who shot your mouth off before knowing the facts was right?

In this you have wiped away any and all claim for intellectual honesty you may have once asserted.

How sad that you didn't even realize how idiotic your post was.

Your post is astounding.

You might as well have rented a large neon sign in Times Square to announce, "Izzy is an Idiot!?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 04:55 pm
@izzythepush,
I think I'm going to substitute "Pooch," for "Malvolio" when I respond to Set.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 04:59 pm
@edgarblythe,
And "percentage wise" there haven't been as many tea-partiers expressing racist sentiments (not-with-standing that you have grossly exaggerated the number of such incidents) and yet you choose not not to reserve judgment on them.

Consistenty of thought?

No where to be seen.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 05:03 pm
Here is a suggestion for A2K

Incorporate a methodology of identfying the individual members who thumb up or down a post.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 05:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I wonder, why you named explicitly the 4th crusade - the 5th certainly would have been here better for your "ideology".


I was exempting the Fourth from my general praise of the Crusades.

The Fourth Crusade did not go fight the Muslims. Instead they went and killed the Byzantine Empire, paving the way for the Muslims to invade Europe from the east.

Maybe the Byzantine Empire died with the passing of Manuel Komnenos, and the Fourth Crusade merely looted the Empire's corpse before the Muslims could do the same.

But I can't help but wonder, if not for the Fourth Crusade, could the Byzantine Empire have rebounded and persevered?
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 05:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
How about a number in profile indicating how many ignores someone accumulated?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 06:24 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Do you really want to engage in a tit for tat between your country and mine based on past actions?

If so, let's have at it.


Yes, let's do, Finn. That would be verrrrrry interesting.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 06:37 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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and this self serving comment in no way excuses the anti-Semitism you have repeatedly exhibited.

Perhaps it's not fair to suggest you are anti-Semitic,


You just did, Finn, and you didn't suggest it, you stated it as a fact. But you're well known for stating a lot of things as fact that have zero connection to the truth.

You've taken Izzy to task for his "dishonesty" when you have been caught out so many times being your usual dishonest self that it makes this scold, **** like this,

"There's no point debating issues with someone whose values are so warped.

more than a bit hypocritical. Here you, a rank supporter of war criminals and terrorists chiding others for their "warped values". Infuckingcredible, Finn.

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but you certainly are blindly anti-Israel, and how different, really, are the two?


That's one, among so many, that's in the running for the stupidest conclusions you've ever drawn.

Here's another,

"Brits like izzy refuse to accept that the US is, is in effect, helping to fund your socialism."

They roll off your tongue like with alarming regularity.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 07:25 pm
@InfraBlue,
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Pathetic rationalization.

for something to be a rationalization the one doing it must believe that the act or thought is some how wrong. I most certainly dont believe that sexual freedom of 15 year olds is wrong, in fact my argument is specifically that it is right. we see here another example of an allegedly educated A2K'er using words incorrectly.

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, but haven't articulated what is it, exactly, that you are fighting for,
i did, but maybe you were not paying attention again.....free speech, the right to self determination of our mind and opinions, and the right to be free from violence when others dont like our opinions.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 10:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
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like most protesters at the scene, Ibrahim believes “The Innocence of Muslims” is a Hollywood production that, like any local or international film released in Egypt, and presumably elsewhere, passes through several rounds of censorship and receives official state approval from its own government before seeing the light of day

http://www.worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/-quot-have-we-gone-crazy-quot-journey-inside-cairo-039-s-violent-anti-u.s.-protests/violence-anti-american-islamophobia-extremist/c1s9600/#.UFaqOrKPUrc

idiots....

this speaks to my continual concern about the ever increasing ignorance of the American people...the stupid are sheep who are always led to slaughter by their betters.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 11:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Dear Muslims, Christians, Hindus, and Jews,
You’re living in the age of the Internet. Your religion will be mocked, and the mockery will find its way to you. Get over it.
If you don’t, what’s happening this week will happen again and again. A couple of idiots with a video camera and an Internet connection will trigger riots across the globe. They’ll bait you into killing one another.
Stop it. Stop following their script
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he men behind the movie said it would expose Islam as a violent religion. Now they’re pointing to the riots as proof. Muslims are “pre-programmed” to rage and kill, says the movie’s promoter. “Islam is a cancer,” says the director. According to the distributor, “The violence that it caused in Egypt is further evidence of how violent the religion and people are and it is evidence that everything in the film is factual.”
Congratulations, rioters. You followed the script perfectly. You did the propagandists’ work for them.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2012/09/mohammed_movie_embassy_attacks_don_t_let_internet_videos_drive_you_to_violence_.html
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 11:42 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Can we have a conversation without referencing your founding fathers, this isn't the 18th Century.
We shud not, insofar as addressing the fundamental nature of this Republic,
or referring to its jurisdiction.



izzythepush wrote:
Lots of frothing at the mouth verbosity there Finn,
because some of us in Europe are actually making our own decisions
instead of being being bullied by you lot.
Do u consider yourself to be in Europe, Izzy ?





David
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 11:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Do u consider yourself to be in Europe, Izzy ?
I can't respond for Izzy, but ... was there a another continental drift recently, David?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 01:29 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Oh **** off Finn, when I started this thread a lot of the facts were unclear. What you're saying is that something can't be discussed until everything is out in the open. That's ridiculous and you know it, it also shows how petty you and your KKK mates are.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 01:36 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I enjoy being able to go through the fast track 'EU citizens only' gates when I holiday on the continent, and being able to bring back as much booze as I want is pretty cool too.
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