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Does freedom of speech excuse preaching hate?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 10:19 am
@Ticomaya,
Another propagandameister crawls out of his hole.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 11:18 am
@Ticomaya,
That's correct. We clearly have a different legal system, e.g. § 26 in combination with § 29 of the German Criminal Code
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§ 26: Whoever intentionally induces another to intentionally commit an unlawful act, shall, as an inciter, be punished the same as a perpetrator.
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§ 29: Every participant shall be punished according to his own guilt irrespective of the guilt of the other.
That's similar in most if not all European countries.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 11:25 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
In his quote of a Washington Post article, hawkeye10 wrote:
The coming of the West to their world brought superior military, administrative and intellectual achievement into their midst —


What a way to whitewash Western imperialism in the Middle East


I don't think "the Turks conquering the Arabs" is really an act of the West.

And the notion of Western imperialism is a fallacy. The West was minding its own business and suddenly the Muslims decided to come and conquer us. Then when we try to retake our own lands from the people who stole them, it is somehow illegitimate?

Nonsense.



InfraBlue wrote:
Western imperialism in the Middle East which is, after all, the cause of the reactionary violence there against the West.


Nope. There is only one reason that Muslims run around murdering people.

They do it because they are Muslims.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 11:26 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Sudan for example, which has had violence against the German and British embassies, and has just announced that it will not allow America to beef up its security with extra marines


Sounds like we should withdraw our embassy.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 12:13 pm
@oralloy,
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Sounds like we should withdraw our embassy.


Leave the embassies and withdraw all the hired assassins, aka US military, and the terrorist group the CIA, from around the world and the world will be a much more peaceful place.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 12:17 pm
@oralloy,
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Nope. There is only one reason that Muslims run around murdering people.

They do it because they are Muslims.


Another lying propagandist slithers from the scum filled sewers, this one a bukkake enthusiast.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 12:23 pm
@IRFRANK,
Percentage wise, there are not that many Arabs rioting.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 12:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Percentage wise, there are not that many Arabs rioting.


what are the rest of them doing about the rioting?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 12:44 pm
Clinton-Obama I bet have had a few conversations around "WTF!, we turned on Qaddafi, we turned on Mubarak, we put enormous pressure on the Egyptian military to hold elections and then after also to accept the Brotherhood.....and yet we get NO respect!"
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 12:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
What are you doing about the perpetual wars we fight in their countries, the thousands of innocents killed?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 12:55 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

What are you doing about the perpetual wars we fight in their countries, the thousands of innocents killed?


are you equating the morality of rioting and killing because someone says something unliked with the war terror? besides, the last war we fought in was the Libyan civil war, which was advertised as a morally righteous fight.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 01:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Mm hmm yeah. Lucid answer. As I expected.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 01:33 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Mm hmm yeah. Lucid answer. As I expected.


i take that to mean that you can not in fact defend the moral equivalence implied in your question.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 02:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
are you equating the morality of rioting and killing because someone says something unliked with the war terror? besides, the last war we fought in was the Libyan civil war, which was advertised as a morally righteous fight.


I take it you mean 'unlinked.'

The phrase 'war on terror,' was ridiculous from the onset. Al Qaida is a criminal organisation, no more legitimate than the Mafia. The phrase, although whipping up a lot of redneck support domestically, confers a status on Al Qaida that ultimately begins to legitimise its actions.

They've got very long memories in the Middle East, they still talk about the crusades as if it were yesterday. The West has a very long tradition of warfare and exploitation with the Arab world, and America, (in Arab eyes at least,) is part of that tradition. So it doesn't really matter that the last war we fought, along with the French, while America provided logistical support, was in Libya.

Read my post on Ansar Al-Sharia, and follow the link, you might actually learn something.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 02:49 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
What are you doing about the perpetual wars we fight in their countries, the thousands of innocents killed?


The Muslims started it. If they don't like the fact that we're finishing it, too bad for them.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 02:49 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
hawkeye10 wrote:
are you equating the morality of rioting and killing because someone says something unliked with the war terror? besides, the last war we fought in was the Libyan civil war, which was advertised as a morally righteous fight.


I take it you mean 'unlinked.'


I don't think so. View his sentence this way:

Are you equating "the morality of rioting and killing because someone says something unliked" with "the war terror"?



izzythepush wrote:
The phrase 'war on terror,' was ridiculous from the onset. Al Qaida is a criminal organisation, no more legitimate than the Mafia. The phrase, although whipping up a lot of redneck support domestically, confers a status on Al Qaida that ultimately begins to legitimise its actions.


Nonsense. The fact that we are at war with al-Qa'ida does not in any way legitimize their actions.



izzythepush wrote:
They've got very long memories in the Middle East, they still talk about the crusades as if it were yesterday. The West has a very long tradition of warfare and exploitation with the Arab world


Nonsense. The Muslims invaded the West while we were minding our own business.

The Crusades (Fourth Crusade excepted) were legitimate wars of justified self defense against Islamic aggression, and there was nothing exploitative about them.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 02:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
What a way to whitewash Western imperialism in the Middle East which is, after all, the cause of the reactionary violence there against the West.


human interaction is almost always about power. the muslims dont have much because their culture is for crap. having oil helps but the oil will run out or else we will find a better energy source. then the muslims through most of the world will be very hard up.....little smarts, little power, and little money. unless they reform they will soon find themselves to be the rest of the worlds bitches. the muslims can either keep whining about being powerless or else they can catch up the the modern world. the choice is all theirs. trying to play on my guilt will get them no where, as the feminists have exhausted my patience for that ploy.


Seeing the countries in the Middle East as the world's bitches does nothing to address the problem of Western imperialism and the necessary reactionary violence thereof. It merely perpetuates the vicious cycle. This kind of mindset is one that would that the Middle Eastern countries not achieve levels of power equal to that of the imperialist nations.

Your emotions in regard to these matters are as relevant as your pedophilia, which is to say, they are absolutely irrelevant.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 02:59 pm
@InfraBlue,
Point of fact: pedophilia is defined as the desire to have sex with, or the gaining of erotic energy from, the very young. This does not apply to me, as my interest is getting sexual freedom back to teens.

Point of fact: I am not emotional about the muslim problem, what you hare seeing is exasperation with the bleeding heart idiocy of Americans, who in my opinion have both largely lost the will to fight for what is important as well as lost the knowledge of what is important.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 03:11 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
In his quote of a Washington Post article, hawkeye10 wrote:
The coming of the West to their world brought superior military, administrative and intellectual achievement into their midst —


What a way to whitewash Western imperialism in the Middle East


I don't think "the Turks conquering the Arabs" is really an act of the West.


"The Turks conquering the Arabs" isn't relevant to the argument of the West's imperialism in the Middle East.

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And the notion of Western imperialism is a fallacy. The West was minding its own business and suddenly the Muslims decided to come and conquer us. Then when we try to retake our own lands from the people who stole them, it is somehow illegitimate?


Minding "it's own business" to the West in regard to its intervention in the Middle East is Western imperialism to the Middle East, sociopathic rationalizations notwithstanding.


Quote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Western imperialism in the Middle East which is, after all, the cause of the reactionary violence there against the West.


Nope. There is only one reason that Muslims run around murdering people.

They do it because they are Muslims.


What are truly nonsense are your bigoted stupidities.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 03:37 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
And the notion of Western imperialism is a fallacy. The West was minding its own business and suddenly the Muslims decided to come and conquer us. Then when we try to retake our own lands from the people who stole them, it is somehow illegitimate?


Minding "it's own business" to the West in regard to its intervention in the Middle East is Western imperialism to the Middle East, sociopathic rationalizations notwithstanding.


Well, if the Muslims think it is "Western imperialism" when Muslims attack someone who is minding their own business, the solution is simple: lots more drone strikes.



InfraBlue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Western imperialism in the Middle East which is, after all, the cause of the reactionary violence there against the West.


Nope. There is only one reason that Muslims run around murdering people.

They do it because they are Muslims.


What are truly nonsense are your bigoted stupidities.


It is neither nonsense, nor bigotry, nor stupid, to point out the reality that the reason Muslims run around murdering people, is because they are Muslims.
 

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