Post-Factual Stage of Dem Campaign

@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Republican lies are FAR more frequent, say the fact checkers.

Maybe the dishonest ones say that. Certainly none of the honest ones do.

Spare me the fake outrage. I have no sympathy for a lying political party that whines because someone lies back at them.

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Actually it's the honest ones that say that. Are you talking about the Republicans whining that Democratic charges against them (for example concdernbing Romney's tenure at Bain Capital, which that renowned Democrat Newt Gingrich described as Vulture Capitalism) are false? After they've spent four years calling Obama unAmerican, a socialist, out to destroy America, and so on and so on. Who started the lying, Oralloy?

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Actually it's the honest ones that say that.

No. The honest ones accept that both parties are lying.

MontereyJack wrote:

Are you talking about the Republicans whining that Democratic charges against them (for example concdernbing Romney's tenure at Bain Capital, which that renowned Democrat Newt Gingrich described as Vulture Capitalism) are false?

I have not seen any threads with complaints about that.

The Republicans seem content to just return fire with lies of their own.

MontereyJack wrote:

After they've spent four years calling Obama unAmerican, a socialist, out to destroy America, and so on and so on. Who started the lying, Oralloy?

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

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the chicken and the egg are irrelevant. The Republicans started the lies and the insults. And we haven't even gotten into right wing loonie talk radio yet. And the QUANTITY of lies, missstaements, distortion, and invention from the right is far higher. That's not a statistic I'm inventing. (And before you excoriate someone for calling him GungasnaKKKe, I suggest you look into snaKKKe's history, dating well back into the Bush administration of talking about "DemonKKKrats", "Bill KKKlinton" aka in his vocabulary as "Herr KKKlintler" and his wife "Hitlery"). And let's not forget his continual reference to the President as "Obunga" or "Bork Obunga". Anything he gets called in return is fair return in my book.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

The Republicans started the lies and the insults.

Nonsense. The egg came before the chicken. Everyone knows that. You can't have a chicken without an egg to hatch it from.

MontereyJack wrote:

And we haven't even gotten into right wing loonie talk radio yet.

There are left-wing loonies on the radio too. They quite often speak about how "nice" it would be if they were allowed to violate the Second Amendment.

When they aren't talking about violating the rights of American citizens, they are talking about disarming the US military.

MontereyJack wrote:

And the QUANTITY of lies, missstaements, distortion, and invention from the right is far higher.

Nonsense. The Democrats are just as accomplished at lying.

MontereyJack wrote:

Anything he gets called in return is fair return in my book.

A bit of a difference between name-calling directed at a public figure, and name-calling between fellow a2kers.

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"DemonKKKrat" is not directed at the Democrats on a2k? Not to mention the rabid right like H2OMan who had pet insult names for everyone who disagreed with him. Sorry, Oralloy, won't wash. And that's just scratching the surfaceof right wing insults and name calling. There is no one on the left that is anywhere near as malign as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Neil Boortz, Fox News, and their ilk. There are a multitude of them, and they're at it 24 hours a day. Face it, for sheer quantity of vituperation and insult, the right has the field to itself.

Not to mention, you can't have an egg without a chicken to lay it (unless it's something like a turtle's egg, say, but you probably know enough basic biology to realize you're unlikely to get a chicken out of a turtle egg. I realize I'm making rash assumptions about your knowledge).

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

There is no one on the left that is anywhere near as malign as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Neil Boortz, Fox News, and their ilk. There are a multitude of them, and they're at it 24 hours a day. Face it, for sheer quantity of vituperation and insult, the right has the field to itself.

Ann Coulter is just plain evil. There is no other word for someone who supports sending innocent people to prison. I do not blame the right for the fact that she is one of them however. Instead I sympathize with the right for their misfortune in having such a hateful person choose to associate with them.

Regarding the rest, I've never heard any mention of them ever wanting to violate the Second Amendment, or wanting to disarm the US military, so they can't be all that bad.

For what it's worth, if I listened to talk radio, G Gorden Liddy would be my favorite. He'd be a good man to have at your back in the middle of a bar fight.

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Talk about totally absurd understanding of the Consitution and the founding and basis of the country. And one does have to wonder, if the right is so unfortunate as to have Ann Coulter amongst them, why so many of them, including those here on 12k, embrace her so wholeheartedly.

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@MontereyJack,

the Republicans are the party of hate.

and jesus.

go figure...

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

the Republicans are the party of hate.

Nonsense.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Talk about totally absurd understanding of the Consitution and the founding and basis of the country.

The Constitution protects the right of the general citizenry to carry guns whenever they go about in public.

And as a matter of fact, we are only a year or two from the Supreme Court ruling that all large cities in America have to start letting people carry guns when they go about in public.

Alan Gura, the same hero who brought us Heller and the Chicago lawsuit, is back again for round three. Oral arguments before the three-judge appeals court are this fall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woollard_v._Sheridan

The Constitution also demands that we have a militia. And it protects the right of militiamen to own advanced military weaponry and to keep it in their homes.

Did you see Justice Scalia's comments about Stinger Missiles in the hands of American civilians?

Quote:

SCALIA: We'll see. I mean, obviously, the amendment does not apply to arms that cannot be hand-carried. It's to keep and bear. So, it doesn't apply to cannons. But I suppose there are handheld rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes that will have to be -- it will have to be decided.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/2012/07/29/justice-antonin-scalia-issues-facing-scotus-and-country/print

That's so awesome.

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As I said, an absolutely absurd "understanding" of the Constitution. Or more concisely, misunderstanding.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

As I said, an absolutely absurd "understanding" of the Constitution. Or more concisely, misunderstanding.

Nope. No absurdity, and no misunderstanding.

The Constitution protects the people's right to carry guns when they go about in public. The Constitution demands that we have a militia. And the Constitution protects the right of militiamen to own advanced military weaponry and to keep it at home.

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@gungasnake,

A political election is a kind of war.
In THIS war, the enemy army's lowest eschelons have been disaffected
by chronic unemployment, in derogation of their most cherished ideal.

Probably the most effective few words that came from the GOP Convention
were from Ryan: (approximately) "if u re-elect obama, u will just have 4 more years
of what u had for the last 4 years" referring to very long term very hi unemployment.
That is anathema for an incumbent Democrat.
Thay r supposed to run in protest AGAINST hi unemployment.

David

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

"DemonKKKrat" is not directed at the Democrats on a2k?
Not to mention the rabid right like H2OMan who had pet insult names for everyone who disagreed with him. Sorry, Oralloy, won't wash. And that's just scratching the surfaceof right wing insults and name calling. There is no one on the left that is anywhere near as malign as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Neil Boortz, Fox News, and their ilk. There are a multitude of them, and they're at it 24 hours a day. Face it, for sheer quantity of vituperation and insult, the right has the field to itself.

Look: conservatism is orthodox, rigidly adhering to the original agreement,
i.e., the Original Intendment of US Constitution, as legitimately amended, as per its Article 5.
Liberalism is use of deception to accomplish cheating.
We conservatives r only fighting back,
against those attempts to cheat us out of our freedom and our property.

MontereyJack wrote:

Not to mention, you can't have an egg without a chicken to lay it (unless it's something like a turtle's egg, say, but you probably know enough basic biology to realize you're unlikely to get a chicken out of a turtle egg. I realize I'm making rash assumptions about your knowledge).

I 'm a little taken aback by your biological ignorance.
The mother of the first chicken was a member of an earlier species.
She had a mutation, which was eggspressed in her genetic material; new & different DNA.
The mutation was in her egg, so that her child became the first chicken.
Q.E.D.: Her egg came b4 the first chicken.

David

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

As I said, an absolutely absurd "understanding" of the Constitution.
Or more concisely, misunderstanding.

That is humorous. Jack thinks that HE has a better "understanding"
of the Constitution than Antonin Scalia does
(to say nothing of the professional grammarians who parsed the 2nd Amendment
and the dictionaries used from the 17OOs), but JACK knows it better, yea.

David

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

And one does have to wonder, if the right is so unfortunate as to have Ann Coulter amongst them, why so many of them, including those here on 12k, embrace her so wholeheartedly.

Because she's so sexy. Twisted Evil

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@wmwcjr,

MontereyJack wrote:

And one does have to wonder, if the right is so unfortunate as to have Ann Coulter amongst them, why so many of them, including those here on 12k, embrace her so wholeheartedly.

wmwcjr wrote:

Because she's so sexy.

I 've met her a few times, and I like her.
I 'm not aware that she has ever done or said anything rong,
but I don 't pretend to be an expert on her. IF she opposes
freedom of abortion, then I must disagree with her.

David

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Yes, David, I think I, and the four dissenters in Heller, and the professional grammarians who parsed the second amendment and used documentary sources from the 1700s (before there really were dictionaries to any great extent) to show it applied to militia use, not individual, have a better grasp of the meaning and extent of the amendment, than Scalia or you do.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Yes, David, I think I, and the four dissenters in Heller, and the professional grammarians who parsed the second amendment and used documentary sources from the 1700s (before there really were dictionaries to any great extent) to show it applied to militia use, not individual, have a better grasp of the meaning and extent of the amendment, than Scalia or you do.

Your post is unclear.
U allege that the dictionaries from the 17OOs that thay used did not really exist???
That argument was not raised in the dissent; maybe thay did not notice that.

( I seem to remember Justice Scalia citing by NAME and by DATE and by author,
to the dictionaries that he quoted, but if u say that thay did not exist,
then I guess u know better than the US Supreme Court does. )

Anyway, the Supreme Court ADOPTED the parsing of the professional grammarians
who explained that the 2nd Amendment protects both possession of guns
by individual citizens and also by members of militia,
but that one does not depend upon the other.

In short, the prefatory clause (i.e., the militia clause)
is an explanation of the reason for the OPERATIVE CLAUSE i.e.,
the right to keep and bear arms being immune from infringement.

I will never question your right to live in your world of wishful fantasy.
Have fun in there.

David

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