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Is "hidden" redundant here?

 
 
Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 07:15 pm
"A secret behind this" seems sufficient to convery what the author intends to speak. Both "secret" and "behind" have given us the sense of "hidden."

Plus, is "the reason why" awkward? Should it be changed into "the reason that"?

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Wen Jiabao Left Beidaihe and Went to Zhejiang in a Rush.
There's A Hidden Secret Behind This

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao left Beidaihe Meeting, the important event before the 18th National Congress He showed up in Zhejiang on August 14th.
Analyst pointed out the reason why Wen Jiabao went to Zhejiang is to solve an emergency economic crisis.
Actually the Zhejiang issue is the microcosm of the whole Chinese economy.
Wen Jiabao is unable to do anything and will not have a good solution to handle it.
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Jingraves
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 07:39 pm
@oristarA,
"Secret" doesn't mean that it is not there. Is there not pills in a bottle if we don't hear them shack around in the bottle? "Behind" would just mean blocked by like the bottle. For another question if you stick your hand into a cardboard box; is it not there?

The "reason why" and the "reason that", is a very easy on to answer. The "reason why" we do something is because it is knowledge, something we are taught. The "reason that" we do something is because it is our wisdom. Wisdom is something we learn, but not like knowledge, because knowledge is what we know about something. Wisdom is what we have had in our lives. We have never seen or anything about a dinosaur, but we have knowledge of them.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 11:37 pm
@Jingraves,
Thank you.

In your opinions, they are all necessary and indispensable?
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 12:09 am
@oristarA,
Things can be hidden in plain sight. You could put a secret in a box behind a Christmas tree, but if its hidden, you must search for it.
There is always a story behind events, but if it is a secret it is often hidden, and you'll have to dig for the information.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 12:42 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Plus, is "the reason why" awkward? Should it be changed into "the reason that"?
Yes. The reason that . . .
JTT
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 10:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Notice the fine, detailed explanation Dave has given, Ori. When a fella like Dave has been so wrong, so many times on language issues, it should give you great pause. When Dave offers you his typical quick answer with no explanation whatsoever, it should also give you that same pause.

Dave is simply repeating someone else's nonsense. You must have read this nonsense yourself in some style manual at some time or other or you wouldn't have even known to ask.

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The reason why there’s nothing wrong

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One last thing, and something that should tell you that the redundancy point is off the mark, is that the reason why is both common and venerable. Both Google Books N-grams and the Corpus of Historical American English have the reason why being consistently more common than the reason that for the last 200 years. And the first example of the reason why in the Oxford English Dictionary dates back to 1533:

“He couth fynd na resson quhy he aucht nocht to helpe þe romane pepill to recovir þe land.”

http://motivatedgrammar.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/the-reason-why-theres-nothing-wrong/

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oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 08:52 am
Interesting directions for grammatical studies:

1) The Usefulness of the Useless
2) The Efficientness of the Inefficient
3) The Succinctness of the Redundant

Cool
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 10:29 am
@oristarA,
Quote:
1) The Usefulness of the Useless


OmSigDavid in a nutshell. "His" ideas on language, stolen from others, provide an easy route to knocking down these idiotic notions.
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