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Would you buy your tween son a "Playboy"?

 
 
Linkat
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 10:35 am
@boomerang,
I think that's fair - I'm not sure to what degree Playboy is as bad as some of the others. It is really subjective - so there is a line - just where do you draw it and alot has to do with the maturity of the child too.

I remember my older brother as a young adult actually hanging up pictures in his room (that he shared with my younger brother) that were really bad - not sure what magazines he got them from.

My mom did not know - my younger brother was actually mad about it (most likely because he has a sister here seeing this that he respects) - my younger brother tore them all down.

Now I don't think and granted its been a long time since I've seen the inside of a Playboy magazine - I doubt these were from Playboy.
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Linkat
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 10:36 am
@sozobe,
Maybe National geographic?
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DrewDad
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 10:36 am
@tsarstepan,
I see no difference at all, frankly, and I have two daughters.

Although I think it's more likely to be romance novels....

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Setanta
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 11:17 am
@boomerang,
Quote:
I don't think my early exposure to J's brother's hard core stuff corrupted me at all.


Ha!

O wad some Power the giftie gie us. To see oursels as ithers see us!
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Thomas
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 11:45 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
I haven't seen one in years either but I doubt they've slipped into porn territory.

If only! Just look at one of their recent(ish) title-page models.

http://tv.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/marge-simpson-playboy-naked.jpg
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jespah
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 12:19 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

boomerang wrote:
I wondered what an older crowd would have to say about it since most of the posters there are quite young and mostly dealing with newborns and toddlers.

I wouldn't recommend buying Playboy for a toddler.


So far as I'm aware, Hef doesn't print pop-up books.
Setanta
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 12:30 pm
@jespah,
Imagine the picture that gave me when i read it . . .
DrewDad
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 01:06 pm
@Setanta,
I'druther not....
jespah
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 01:11 pm
@DrewDad,
I throw you dudes a softball, and ....

PS For a bridal shower gift, my mother gave me a black teddy and a copy of Our Bodies, Ourselves. Egad. That creeped me out and I was 29 at the time. If I'd been 15 and getting something comparable I would have keeled over.
BillRM
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 01:39 pm
@Linkat,
Yes 18 to early twenties for the most part and are being pay thousands to show their bodies off in the best possible light in playboy.

Poor misused idiots who should instead work at a minimum wage job all summer to help pay for their college expanses.

I know one misguided woman who dance that not only supported herself and her son but she also pay for courses that got her a general contractor license of all things.

So she went from a g string to a hard hat....................



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ossobuco
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 02:00 pm
@roger,
I think they all go together.
Classroom education - girls to the auditorium, a film about uteruses. Or uteri.
Dirty little girls - I learned there was a world out there, not just from my reading the Saturday Evening Post and Colliers, but hearing about A and S at a party.
Anatomy text - that was all later. Not much later - I read med history (such as I could find) at 13, 14, possibly 15.
A friend was a med illustrator in her early twenties for a neurosurgeon; she was smart and still is. I thought for a minute, wonder what drawing interest got her started -
but, nah, she probably had a crush on the paleontologist.
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chai2
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 02:09 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

I'm sure the kid could find naughty pictures if he chose to do so.

That isn't the point.

The point is maintaining the trust relationship with your kid. Even when it's awkward.

You deal with it when they have questions about Playboy, because you also want to be in a place to deal with it when they have questions about booze, or marijuana, or ecstasy, or pipe bombs, or their friend's dad asking 'em to go into the back bedroom. Because you want them to call you first if they're drunk at a party and don't have a safe way home.



I understand what you're saying DD, but I don't think learning what turns you on is part of a parental trust relationship.

Some things, while not shameful, need to be explored alone, not knowing that mom and dad have approved the way in which you get a stiffy.

I'm not really sure what kind of questions a boy would be going to his parents about soft porn (if you even consider pictures in playboy porn).
What would he be going to ask his mom about?

"Say Mom, Dad....I notice when I look at a lady with small tits, and long legs, I get more aroused than if she has big breasts and round butt. Why is that?"
Some things aren't supposed to be shared with mommy and daddy.

Looking a arousing pictures, whether they be in print or online is a private thing, or to be shared with person(s) of your choosing, meaning they are part of it.

I don't feel you can equate looking at erotic pictures that will arouse you in knowing what to do when a friend offers you drugs.

tsar....I had thought about that, the person invovled being a girl looking at guys. I also thought about if the kid doesn't care for looking at the opposite sex, but prefers their own gender.

Same thoughts apply.

If the kid enjoyed looking at same sex, I don't see that as the optimum situation to open up a dialogue about sexuality either.

Since being a homosexual isn't all about the sex act, but everything about who a person is, I wouldn't want to pinpoint the moment of announcing this to the folks (if they haven't already figured it out) to looking at arousing material. Rather, it could come out in the form of "this is who I am in the big picture."

I guess I consider myself hetero. I do know I've always thought nekkid pictures of guys more goofy and funny looking than anything. Looking a a woman though is very pleasurable.

I never thought about discussing this with anyone, least of all my parents. No more than they thought about telling me what they liked.

Back to the question....What questions does anyone think a kid, boy or girl would come up with that would be necessary to approach their parents? Seriously.

I'm not saying this like stuffing feelings down, not having a "trust relationship" and all that....but jeez, some things are just private.

Now, going back to if the kid was exposed to people hurting each other, or something that falls really far out of the norm, something that causes fear, bad confusion, it would be nice if they could, in a general way, bring it up. Even then, if the kid is repulsed by something that's really out there, well, they've already figured out that's not for them.



DrewDad
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 02:48 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
I understand what you're saying DD, but I don't think learning what turns you on is part of a parental trust relationship.

I don't think that a 10-year-old boy asking his mom about Playboy has anything to do with figuring out what "turns him on."

It has to do with understanding something he didn't understand.
DrewDad
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 02:59 pm
@DrewDad,
I remember watching Monty Python and the Holy Grail when I was about 10 or 11. (I had to Google the quote:)

Quote:
Dingo: Here in Castle Anthrax we have but one punishment for setting light the grail-shaped beacon. You must tie her down on a bed and spank her.
Girls: A spanking! A spanking!
Dingo: Spank her well, and after you have spanked her, you may deal with her as you like...And then, spank me.
Girls: And me! And me! An me!
Dingo: Yes, yes. You must give us all a good spanking.
Girls: A spanking! A spanking! We're gonna get a spanking tonight!
Dingo: And after the spanking, the oral sex!
Galahad: Well, I could stay a bit longer!


My dad burst out laughing, and I piped up and asked "what's oral sex?"

Kinda put a damper on his amusement....

But I just wanted to know what the hell was so funny.
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chai2
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 03:23 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

chai2 wrote:
I understand what you're saying DD, but I don't think learning what turns you on is part of a parental trust relationship.

I don't think that a 10-year-old boy asking his mom about Playboy has anything to do with figuring out what "turns him on."

It has to do with understanding something he didn't understand.


So, what is he going to ask?

If it's purely about "what's that body part? What does that do?" then the initial idea from that other forum, and anatomy book, would do just fine.

No one, 10 years old, or 90 looks at the pictures of naked women in playboy to try to determine what is their ass and what is their elbow.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_18XkaPdQZu4/RsT7A_Y76WI/AAAAAAAAEkg/-OgFCOiujUc/s320/ass_from_elbow.jpg
BTW, I knew what oral sex was when I was 10.
I knew what is what when Kathy Sheehan told us you swallow men seeds to get pregnant. That was probably around....oh.....7 or 8 when she said that, so who know how long before that I knew it.

Maybe I didn't have in my head in panarama vision, but I'd put in together.


So no, if it's purely to give an anatomy lesson, an anatomy book would be the logical answer.

I thought this was about something more sophisticated, as in "this is interesting in a way that I really don't feel I want to look at this knowing my mom knows I am."

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 03:24 pm
Whether or not a child asking his mother to buy him a Playboy is indicative of some wonderful level of trust, requires a lot more information that we've been provided here.

It could just as easily be indicative of a kid manipulating his overly permissive mother who compensates for her guilt over his living a life without his father by giving him everything he requests.

Regardless of what the request signifies, there needs to be a perceptible line of demarcation in the relationship of child and parent. Not because this is the way our grandparents did things and Gosh Darn, if it was good enough for them it's good enough for us. It's necessary because such is what children need from their parents. What they don't need are procurers of all of Life's experiences simply because they express curiosity.

If parents don't provide their children with a moral framework, they will not develop one through their genetics.

Without guidance from their parents, the world they engage with will do the job. Does anyone want TV to shape their children's morality?

Anyone who cedes the responsibility to educational institutions should not be a parent.

If you are asking if it is OK to buy your tween a Playboy, you should not. Obviously the mother isn't comfortable with the notion,but she's going to do it because folks like Thomas tell her it's a wonderful idea?

Dollar to donuts she doesn't want to buy the kid a Playboy, but she wants less to disappointment him. Asking the question in an Internet forum is simply a way to justify her giving in to him.

You can always identify a screwed up kid when you hear the mother or father say: "We're more like friends than parent and child."


DrewDad
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 03:49 pm
@chai2,
Some possible questions:

"What's in a Playboy magazine?"

"Why does a man want to look at naked ladies?"

"What is pornography?"

"Do I have to look at naked ladies?"

"I don't want to look at naked ladies; does that mean I'm gay?"


Kids ask questions. All the time. About everything.

The kid is asking about pornography; it does not mean the kid is asking about sex.

Sex and pornography are something you're conflating, not the kid.
chai2
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 04:09 pm
@DrewDad,
So if the kid asks about a playboy, you have to show him one? If he knows what a naked human looks like, the answer would be it's a magazine with naked people in it, and no he doesn't have to look.

Especially if one of his questions involves I don't care about looking at them.

If a kid asks about pornography....well, pornography involves sex. How do you explain pornography without touching on sex?





ehBeth
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 04:10 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
What they don't need are procurers of all of Life's experiences simply because they express curiosity.


too true
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Thomas
 
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Thu 16 Aug, 2012 04:16 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
So if the kid asks about a playboy, you have to show him one?

Nobody said anything about "have to". But some of us think it's a good idea if you do, myself included.
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