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Are the sentences natural and have the same meaning?

 
 
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 06:33 am
All the girls are not intelligent.
Every girl is not inot intelligent.

Are the above sentences natural and do they mean the same thing?

Thanks.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 06:46 am
@tanguatlay,
I believe you meant to write:

All the girls are not intelligent.
Every girl is not intelligent.

Yes, the sentences have the same meaning. As for whether or not they are natural, i would say that a native speaker would write:

Not all the girls are intelligent.
Not every girl is intelligent.

Nevertheless, there is nothing "unnatural" about the sentences. I just think they'd look a little odd, somewhat awkward, to a native speaker.
tanguatlay
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 07:20 am
@Setanta,
Thanks, Setanta.

You are right. Thanks for correcting the error and your prompt reply.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 10:29 am
@tanguatlay,
Quote:
All the girls are not intelligent.
Every girl is not [inot] intelligent.

Are the above sentences natural and do they mean the same thing?


They could mean the same thing depending on the circumstances. Context is important.

They both sound as if they could be responses to a previous statement.

So yes, they are completely natural.
tanguatlay
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 10:35 am
@JTT,
Thanks, JTT.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 02:04 pm
@tanguatlay,

Quote:
All the girls are not intelligent.


But you wouldn't write it that way.

You'd write "none of the girls is intelligent", or "all the girls are a bit dim".
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 02:06 pm
@JTT,

Quote:
So yes, they are completely natural.


Are they bollocks.
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 03:31 pm
@McTag,

Sorry, I should have said, I disagree.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 04:03 pm
@McTag,
Quote:
All the girls are not intelligent.


But you wouldn't write it that way.

You'd write "none of the girls is intelligent", or "all the girls are a bit dim".


Context context context, McTag.

A: All the girls are intelligent.

B: All the girls are not intelligent.

Neither of your examples would be a suitable response for B, hoping to state what B has stated.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 04:04 pm
@McTag,
Quote:
Are they bollocks.


You need a question mark, not a period.

Are what bollocks?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 04:31 pm
@JTT,
A: Every girl [in this room] is intelligent.

B: Every girl is not intelligent!
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 11:58 pm
@tanguatlay,

Further thoughts:

Quote:
All the girls are not intelligent.


That is a bit clumsy. It would be more commonly written as "All the girls are unintelligent".
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 12:03 am
@JTT,

Quote:
Quote:
Are they bollocks


You need a question mark, not a period.

Are what bollocks?


This is a British idiom, and is not a question.

It means, loosely translated, "I fear you may be wrong."

(cf. "The heck I will")
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 11:32 am
@McTag,
Quote:
All the girls are not intelligent.


That is a bit clumsy. It would be more commonly written as "All the girls are unintelligent".


It couldn't be written as,

"All the girls are unintelligent"

if it was a denial of the positive statement, could it, McTag?



McTag
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2012 04:03 pm
@JTT,

Well it could, but I see where you are coming from in this.

Context, as you say, is key.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2012 05:37 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
It couldn't be written as,

"All the girls are unintelligent"

if it was a denial of the positive statement, could it, McTag?


I was mistaken. Of course the sentence in quotes is A possible reply to a positive statement.
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