Those Of You Crying About Having A Tax Hike To Pay For "Obamacare"

Well now, something to which I can actually respond.

If the rich have shifted their tax burdens to the economic classess below them, how do you imagine that they have ended up representing 1% of the population and yet paying 40% of the nation's income taxes?

If their strategy has been to make the poor pay for their profligacy, they've not been strategic wizards.

The CBO quite recently found that the average tax rate of the 1% was 18.8% as compared to the 4.2% paid by the "Middle Class" and -5.6% by the "Poor."

You can blather on and on about how the "rich" don't pay their fair share but your argument is based upon a belief that they should be paying 90% or more.

You can't make the argument that they are paying less than other economic classes, although you will no doubt continuously try.

The issue is not how much the "rich" pay, it's how much the government spends.

The more the government spends, the more it needs its citizens to pay in taxes., and the politicians who benefit from government spending will try to make the case that the "rich" should pay for it, while they all know that if it comes to it (and it always does) they will make the middle-class do so as well.

If you believe there is no limit to what the government should spend, then it follows that you will look to the "rich" to finance the government's profligacy.

The "rich" are already paying more than their share, in terms of per capita responsibility, of the common services we expect government to provide: military, roads, foreign embassies, and even safety net programs, but you want them to pay more, because you want the government to spend more.

Sorry Bud, but increased government spending (or even maintenace at the current high level of 24% of GDP) is not a given, and is not embraced by the majority of Americans.

No matter how loudly you clowns shout this nonsense, it will not make it so.

You advance nonsense about the recipients of governmental largess being noble victims who, in a Republican ruled world, would die of starvation, but Americans know that a very large segment of the folks who have been sentenced, by Democrats, to the Entitlement Wards, have fully adapted and now play the sytem for all they can get.

The anecdotal evidence is overwhelming and while it may not be scientific, it persuades voters.

So bemoan the stupidity and heartlessness of the average American and berate them for their sins. That will surely get them to vote as you would like.

I expect that you will join ranks with the usual useful idiots like parados, drewdad, CI, and Cyclo to charge back with some arcane and twisted statistic that will support your notion.

Have at it.

No one with a brain will believe that the "rich" don't pay a hell of a lot more in taxes then the middle class and the poor...in total and in terms of a % of the whole.

If you really care about the middle-class you will keep a watchful eye on Obama because he can't finance his agenda on the backs of the "rich" alone.

He also will never really try to because the "rich" are keeping him in power.

I'll make my own arguments, thank you.

yours are kinda twisty and loaded with strawmen...

Well, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you proved me wrong.

You're not interested in debate, only dropping bird ****.

but you have so much more fun supplying my arguments for me.

and then knocking them down to show us liberals how dumb we are...

why would I stop you now?

But they have and they use some really big numbers to disguise it. The top 1% owns 40% of the country's wealth and pay 36% of its taxes. Seems pretty much in balance, right? But that 4% disparity is actually a huge number when passed down the chain. Using the same references, the bottom 80% of wealth holders own 7% of our wealth but pay 15% of taxes or over double the tax rate that the top pays. That's what the whole Romney tax rate was about. The richer you are, the more taxes you pay but the lower your tax rate.

I'm sure you're right. It doesn't keep me up at night.

I guess I must of missed the part where the ACA eliminated capitalism.

It's because their wealth has exploded, both in terms of percents of total wealth of Americans and in real dollars.

When your wealth goes up, and the middle and lower classes stays the same, for damn near two decades in a row, your share of the income tax burden is going to increase significantly. And what makes it even worse, is that the taxes on the upper classes were LOWERED by several percentage points by the Bush tax cuts. Yet, they STILL have increased their share of the pie.

This isn't an arcane or twisted statistic. It's just basic math.

Cycloptichorn

I thought the same thing when I read that. These guys are tripping over their conflicting messages.

Cycloptichorn

That's not the only issue that they are conflicted on; there are so many now, I lost count, but the major ones are a) GW Bush increased the deficit by double, b) Willard was gov when they implemented universal health care in MA, and c) conservatives don't want the rich to pay taxes they call a transfer of wealth to the poor, but it's okay to transfer this deficit to our children and grandchildren.

It's okay to pay for wars and the reconstruction of their country with our tax dollars, but don't even consider spending tax dollars for Americans. That's a major conservative "sin."

Their conflicts are many, and I've written to President Obama to communicate them to the American People about them to win the next election, but all I get from Obama are requests for donations; about ten every week.

Frustrating.

Gosh....
That one is easy to answer.

Income tax debt $14 trillion
SS assests $2.5 Trillion

Percentage of Federal revenues from income taxes:
1980 - 59.5%
2010 - 50.3%

Ask us again how they shifted the tax burden to the lower economic classes? They did it by cutting the income tax and raising the SS tax. Any other stupid questions Finn?

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities recently released their annual report on how the federal government spends money. A pdf copy is available at:
http://www.cbpp.org/files/4-14-08tax.pdf

Good link, wandel; more conservatives need to educate themselves on our national budget and debt, but that's asking for a miracle that'll never happen.

They'll remain ignorant until they're six feet underground, but their brains will remain the same.

Your right. Stone dosent deteri0ate.

Do you actually think it is funny? It isn't funny. For people who are not covered by their employers with healthcare, do you or anyone of you realize how much it costs?

Democracy itself is threatened, folks:


help stamp out socialism NOW. Who needs Canadian-style healthcare anyway?

Something like 40 million U. S. citizens.

You don't understand the definition of "socialism."

The majority of capitalistic countries have universal health care at less cost to their GDP.

Your brain has been overtaken my the conservative meme of lies and innuendos that has no basis in fact or reality.

Look around yourself; 99% of businesses in the US are owned by the people, not the government.

Where is Canadian style healthcare in the US?

Perhaps you should be asking where your brain is before you worry about socialism.

He doesn't care about the costs or the people