Romney 2012?

@DrewDad,

I really don't care if Romney's trust invested in an overseas company in China or anywhere else. I would expect any money manager to diversify investments across the globe.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

I really don't care if Romney's trust invested in an overseas company in China or anywhere else. I would expect any money manager to diversify investments across the globe.

Fine, as long as you will concede that the financial holdings of any very wealthy presidential hopeful would naturally attract added scrutiny (especially one that touts his business acumen as a major selling point for his candidacy).

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@snood,

So stipulated. And let's see his taxes.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

ALL 'blind trusts' are farces. They are legal artifices that are impossible to enforce in real life. It's not specific to Romney.

And therefore, your little narrative fails. It's not reflective of the reality of the situation OR people's opinions on the matter.

In other news, another great polling day for Obama - the WaPo poll puts him up +8 in OH and +4 in FL, both with believable partisan splits. That is major trouble for Romney, as he has practically no path to victory without winning BOTH those states.

Cycloptichorn

PS - Obama is now leading, per RCP, ALL the toss-up states. Romney needs to win almost every single one of those to win. So, he needs some sort of seismic shift.

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@snood,

Not only that, but Romney complains about China's unfair trade, and uses his rhetoric to tell Americans that the rich are the ones who creates jobs in this country.

Romney is a two-faced fraud who benefits from both.

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Cycloptichorn says:

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PS - Obama is now leading, per RCP, ALL the toss-up states. Romney needs to win almost every single one of those to win. So, he needs some sort of seismic shift.

Ah, the revenge of the 47%. Ain't it sweet.

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@MontereyJack,

During Ryan's AARP speech:

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Ryan brought his 78-year-old mother with him and introduced her to the audience, which is usually a sure crowd pleaser.

But when Ryan began talking about repealing “Obamacare” because he said it would harm seniors, one woman in the crowd shouted, “Lie!” Another shouted “Liar!” and the crowd booed Ryan lustily.

Who boos a guy in front of his 78-year-old mother? Other 78-year-old mothers.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81618.html#ixzz27VAUEZWc

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@DrewDad,

That's a good un; playing politics with your mother is not a good idea. Mr. Green

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Here's the national picture:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/09/rcp-924.jpg

It's the end of September, and Romney is not catching up, either on the national or state level.

We've been constantly reassured by rightists that at some point in the future, Romney is going to take the lead, or at least 'unleash the death star' of commercials that will move the race back into contention. At first, it was 'after the conventions.' Then, it was 'by the end of September.' Now, it's 'the Debates will put him in the lead!' Soon it will be just grasping of thin straws regarding turnout.

Cycloptichorn

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@DrewDad,

Unfortunately for Ryan is what comes across is that he's going to make sure that his mother is taken care of but once she's gone everyone else is on their own. His, "See, I've got a mother too" argument isn't working.

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@Cycloptichorn,

What's more telling, for me at least, is that the electoral votes favor Obama by a huge margin.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Here's the national picture:

It's the end of September, and Romney is not catching up, either on the national or state level.

We've been constantly reassured by rightists that at some point in the future, Romney is going to take the lead, or at least 'unleash the death star' of commercials that will move the race back into contention. At first, it was 'after the conventions.' Then, it was 'by the end of September.' Now, it's 'the Debates will put him in the lead!' Soon it will be just grasping of thin straws regarding turnout.

Cycloptichorn

Actually Cyclops, the 'turnout' piece is what worries me. they've got such substantial efforts in so many states attempting to suppress the vote that I'm not sure it won't have a chilling effect on Dems attending their polling places. I can't underestimate the dirty tricks.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

Agree with what exactly, mm? what is the Romney message that you think will resonate with voters?

What is he saying that is going to get seniors/veterans (and people who have seniors and veterans in their lives) etc out to vote for the Republicans?

"I am not Obama."

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@McGentrix,

That was certainly plan one. Unfortunatley, you have to be better than Obama to hold the "not Obama" vote and Romney hasn't been able to sell that. If anything, he is working really hard to show he is not better. The debates will be interesting. Attack ads aren't going to do it going forward. He's got three rounds to score a TKO.

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@McGentrix,

Is that enough to get people out to vote now?

I think there are a lot of people who consider themselves Democrats as well as people who self-describe as Republicans and/or conservatives who don't want to vote for Mr. Obama. I'm now also seeing a number of people, who describe themselves as Republicans and/or conservatives, saying/posting that they don't want to vote for Mr. Romney.

Is that second group going to go out and vote?

Getting out the vote seems to be key on both sides.

I guess that's why there's agitation around voter i.d.

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@snood,

sorry, I missed this

snood wrote:

Actually Cyclops, the 'turnout' piece is what worries me. they've got such substantial efforts in so many states attempting to suppress the vote that I'm not sure it won't have a chilling effect on Dems attending their polling places. I can't underestimate the dirty tricks.

turnout is one of the things I'm very interested in

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

ehBeth wrote:

Agree with what exactly, mm? what is the Romney message that you think will resonate with voters?

What is he saying that is going to get seniors/veterans (and people who have seniors and veterans in their lives) etc out to vote for the Republicans?

"I am not Obama."

Ask the Dems how well that worked out in 2004.

Cycloptichorn

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Here's the national picture:

It's the end of September, and Romney is not catching up, either on the national or state level.

We've been constantly reassured by rightists that at some point in the future, Romney is going to take the lead, or at least 'unleash the death star' of commercials that will move the race back into contention. At first, it was 'after the conventions.' Then, it was 'by the end of September.' Now, it's 'the Debates will put him in the lead!' Soon it will be just grasping of thin straws regarding turnout.

Cycloptichorn

Actually Cyclops, the 'turnout' piece is what worries me. they've got such substantial efforts in so many states attempting to suppress the vote that I'm not sure it won't have a chilling effect on Dems attending their polling places. I can't underestimate the dirty tricks.

Well, I'm worried about turnout as well. We'll need the Dems to come out in force to counter-act the BS the GOP has instituted in several states.

Fortunately, turnout models for presidential elections typically show much higher turnout than mid-term elections; and early voting may let as many as a third of American voters vote before election day. Obama has invested a ton of money in his ground game, and we can hope it will pay off.

I also wonder, to raise a different point, if Evangelical voting is going to be suppressed due to Romney's Mormonism. I know several people back in Texas and Iowa who won't vote for Romney based on the fact that he's a member of a cult. How many votes can he afford to lose from this critical block, and still win??

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

You wrote,

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I also wonder, to raise a different point, if Evangelical voting is going to be suppressed due to Romney's Mormonism. I know several people back in Texas and Iowa who won't vote for Romney based on the fact that he's a member of a cult. How many votes can he afford to lose from this critical block, and still win??

I would think that would depend on the precinct and the number of voters they represent against the total. For example, in Utah, the majority of republicans will drown out any apposition. It looks like a numbers game for each district.

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@ehBeth,

The attempt by the Media to portray Obama as a shoo-in is a double edged sword.

There are a lot of people who would just as well not bother to vote and if they think their vote isn't needed to put their guy over the top, they won't bother.

Their intent is blatant and infuriating, but it is bound to back-fire.

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