I once heard it said that 40% of the populace will vote democrat, 40% will vote REpublican, and 20% are independent.
Its that 20% that the politicians want to get.
So, while Romney was an idiot for what he said, and how he said it, and for stereotyping some people, in a way he was correct.
@mysteryman,
He's not at all correct. Would you say he was correct if he said 47% of this country is men and they will vote for Obama no matter what?
@parados,
Not at all.
What I meant was that a certain percentage of the voters will vote dem, no matter what.
And a certain percentage of the voters will vote repub, no matter what.
I am not agreeing with what he said, how he said it, or who he said it about. I said he was an idiot, and I stand by that.
@mysteryman,
In what way was he correct?
@RABEL222,
I think MM is saying, "he was right, but for the wrong reasons."
It's kinda like answering a multiple-choice test with "C" for every answer.
@mysteryman,
The problem with that analysis, is that is misses all of the underlying messages.
His underlying message seems to be, "those people won't ever vote for me, so when I'm President I'll be able to ignore 'em."
@mysteryman,
So in other words when I said all the men will vote for Romney I was correct because a certain percentage will vote for Romney no matter what?
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:So, while Romney was an idiot for what he said, and how he said it, and for stereotyping some people, in a way he was correct.
In what way was he correct? After all, he didn't just say that 45 percent of the population are Democrats. He suggested they're Democrats
because they pay no taxes. It's the reasoning, not the conclusion, that caused the controversy. How is the reasoning correct?
@mysteryman,
Quote:What I meant was that a certain percentage of the voters will vote dem, no matter what.
And a certain percentage of the voters will vote repub, no matter what.
No that is not what he said. What he said was, 47% are dependent on the government and don't pay taxes and he wouldn't be able to get their votes no matter what. He is wrong on the facts.
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Quote:There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.
Romney went on: "[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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I just can't stop being pissed off about Romney's comments. I think the biggest thing that irriates me is that here we have the top 1% of our population, living high on the hog, and they are complaining that 'they' have to support the other 47% of us who don't pay taxes. ( I do pay taxes, a lot of them.)
The rest of us who, cook their hamburgers, pave their roads, educate their children, fight their wars, build their cars, clean their swimming pools, clean their hotel rooms, and everything else they enjoy living in this country. Where is the appreciation? Do they think they do all this work themselves?
Must have been like this in France just before the revolution. Arrogant pricks.
@IRFRANK,
I had this conversation recently with a FB friend whose brother does think that HIS money pays for all of those things. So, yes, there is a certain subset of the population who believe THEY built it.
Some argue that politics shouldn't be personal but this year, it's personal. As a member of the LGBT community I stand with Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the Democrats because they overturned Don't Ask Don't Tell, they fought for hate crimes legislation, and this year they came out of the closet for marriage equality as a staple of the official party platform!
This means a lot! Voting for someone else would be like asking to be voluntarily amputated! It may seem dramatic but it really is what's at stake your rights as an equal member of this country.
But, it's not just LGBT issues that concern me. I had a mother, I am VERY concerned about women's issues, as well. No one could convince me to vote for Romney or any republican for that matter.
@jcboy,
In another year Ill be eligible for an early Soc Security withdrawal. Why does Ryan wish to make me feel like a freeloader?
MCain is probably saying"Where do we get all these clowns from"?
@IRFRANK,
Have you ever seen the IRS figures for what the top 1% pays in income taxes?
They do pay the lions share of all income tax paid.
So if you really want to make it "fair", either lower their rates or raise everyone else's rates.
After all, wouldn't the "fair" thing to be that everyone pays the same rate?
@mysteryman,
do you not understand capital gains?
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
After all, wouldn't the "fair" thing to be that everyone pays the same rate?
The top 1% pay much lower rates in overall taxes than the middle class. Romney pays 13-14% on ~$20 million in income plus 0.0% social security, 0.0% medicare, ~0% gas taxes, utility surcharges, sales taxes, etc. I pay over 20% in federal income tax, 4% social security, 1.65% medicare, etc. I wish I paid Romney's rate. Actually, I wish he paid mine.
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
So if you really want to make it "fair", either lower their rates or raise everyone else's rates.
their rates are already lower than most Americans
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
Have you ever seen the IRS figures for what the top 1% pays in income taxes?
They do pay the lions share of all income tax paid.
That's because they have
fifty lion's shares of all the wealth. They pay a ton because they own everything.
Quote:After all, wouldn't the "fair" thing to be that everyone pays the same rate?
Not at all. The more money and wealth you have, the more services you receive from government.
Cycloptichorn
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
Have you ever seen the IRS figures for what the top 1% pays in income taxes?
They do pay the lions share of all income tax paid.
So if you really want to make it "fair", either lower their rates or raise everyone else's rates.
After all, wouldn't the "fair" thing to be that everyone pays the same rate?
Everyone pays the same marginal rates. Seems fair to me.
