Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2012 05:20 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yaknow, you mentioned something similar in the debate thread the other day. Do you really not remember that Obama won every debate he's been in, on the national level? That he creamed McCain in all three debates?

His past performances don't match up with the image you're presenting here.

Cycloptichorn


Has Obama debated Romney yet? Did I miss it? Until then, you support your proven failure and I will support my hopeful contender.


Romney didn't exactly cover himself in glory in the debates he's been in this cycle or last. His performances ranged from wooden to passable. You are talking about Obama's specialty - he did very, very well in his past debate performances. At least, in those terms, you'd have to admit that he's no proven failure, but actually, a proven success.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2012 05:24 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Quote:
turned around the death spiral of the Great Recession

He did? When did that happen?


It happened when the stim bill was passed -

http://s3.amazonaws.com/wamo/pa/111208_jobless.jpg

That's a graph of unemployment claims per week. It's even farther down by now, this graph is about a year old.

We went from losing lots of jobs every month, to adding jobs, immediately after Obama's policies went into effect. We still need to do more. I do think it's worth pointing out that the GOP has done everything it possibly can to block all Obama's attempts to do more.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2012 05:26 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
Neither does the quote mention that during the first two years of the Obama Admin the Dems had complete control of the executive and legislative branches of government and could have passed any legislation they wanted.

Since that isn't true would you like to look at reality again?
The Senate requires 60 votes to overcome the GOP filibuster. The Dems had 60 votes for about 2 months of that time period. Franken wasn't seated until July of 2009. Kennedy died in late August of 2009.


These guys have been repeating the same casual lies for so long, they've internalized them as truths.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2012 05:33 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Your hopeful contender is a laughing stock in the UK, Israel and Poland.

This pretty much summarizes Romney's presence in Israel. From the Washington Post.
Quote:
Scott Margules, 55, who walked out with an order of sable, criticized the Republican presidential hopeful for trying to “pander to the Jewish vote” in this swing state.


From the UK's Guardian.
Quote:
Oh, Mitt: those Romney gaffes in full
Boobs, blunders, clangers – whatever you call them, Romney likes to drop them. And he's really outdone himself in London


And this from a FOX News anchor.
Quote:
"There has been no press access to Governor Romney since we landed in Poland. We (press) are in a holding pattern (I can't help but feel a bit like the press is a modified petting zoo since we are trapped in a bus while Polish citizens take pictures of us.)," Van Susteren wrote on her blog.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 11:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
Another Romney blurb without any details.

Quote:
Romney: 'Something dramatic' to aid economy, but not stimulus

Mitt Romney is calling for "something dramatic" to help the economy recover, but he's not saying exactly what.


More tax cuts for the wealthy....so they pay zero taxes like he does. That is "something dramatic." Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk
revelette
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 11:58 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
and found and gave the order to do away with Osama binLaden. All in the face of relentless opposition


Quote:
Right, because no other person would have done so if they were President...


Well, Bush didn't and he could have at Tora Bora.

Quote:
By now, the Taliban's stronghold in Kandahar had fallen or, more correctly, had been abandoned by the soldiers of the regime. The Taliban retreat from Kandahar was emblematic of the war. None of Afghanistan's cities had been won by force alone. Taliban fighters, after intense bombing, had simply made strategic withdrawals. A number of American officers were now convinced that this was about to happen at Tora Bora, too.

One of them was Brig. Gen. James N. Mattis, the commander of some 4,000 marines who had arrived in the Afghan theater by now. Mattis, along with another officer with whom I spoke, was convinced that with these numbers he could have surrounded and sealed off bin Laden's lair, as well as deployed troops to the most sensitive portions of the largely unpatrolled border with Pakistan. He argued strongly that he should be permitted to proceed to the Tora Bora caves. The general was turned down. An American intelligence official told me that the Bush administration later concluded that the refusal of Centcom to dispatch the marines - along with their failure to commit U.S. ground forces to Afghanistan generally - was the gravest error of the war.


source
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JamesMorrison
 
  2  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 03:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
If the stimulus worked why has the economy been so anemic and the recovery the longest since WWII? At the link we also see the prediction that U3 will be 8% by the end of the year but we now have seen U3 presently rising to 8.3%. We also see that GDP growth (in relation to the preceding period), overall, has been relatively flat since the second quarter of 2009. Further, looking at the GDP growth in the last 3 quarters the trend has been downward in the run-up to the election in November.

The counter argument, of course, is: Well, if we had not had the stimulus it would have been worse. This is insufficient to those Americans that are simply not living the rosy picture that the administration hopes to paint come Election Day. This is compounded by the results of and the awareness of the Wisconsin recall elections which pitted government employees, complete with a well displayed entitlement mentality, against those taxpayers that paid their salary/benefits. If the argument of promoting the stimulus as a good thing is advanced do not be surprised if the Romney campaign/GOP PACs strike back with ads exposing the large chunk of stimulus money that went to states and local governments just to keep them, and their benefits, afloat at federal taxpayer expense.

“Fully one-third of the 'stimulus' money went to state and local governments -- an obvious payoff to public employee unions that contributed so much to Democrats,’ as Michael Barone noted” ( http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/obama_and_the_government_emplo.html )

I think overall the claim that the stimulus 'worked' would be a loser for the regime.

JM
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 03:41 pm
@JamesMorrison,
You really don't know?

Here are some reasons why our economy continues to struggle.
1. The Great Recession impacted the world's economies
2. The housing boom during GW Bush's tenure that allowed consumers to increase their debt from loans against their homes resulted in many bankruptcies in the US
a. Consumer spending dropped because consumers could no longer use their homes as collateral
b. Many home owners are still underwater on their mortgage; their homes are valued less than their mortgage
3. No economy lives in isolation today; all economies, even small ones, impact the world's marketplace
a. We experienced this the first time when the Thai baht was devalued, and the world's monetary system reacted
b. Many of the Euro country's debt far exceed their ability to pay on their bonds, and the better managed countries like Germany can't possibly save all of them
c. The unemployment rate in the Euro countries is over 11%; their demand for US goods and services are diminished as well as the rest of the world; this results in lower employment in the US
4. When the world economy is hurting, there's not much one country can do for a "fast" recovery * Maybe, only Romney has a solution
5. The reason for our GDP remaining "flat" can be blamed on the world economy's recession. Also, the GOP has been blocking most legislation that would help Americans from being passed.
6. It's not whether if we didn't have the stimulus or not; we need another stimulus program that will put people to work. Our infrastructure is crumbling and in bad repair, and our schools are being underfunded. These are necessary spending to maintain our competitive economy.
7. We don't need to be spending over $739 billion on defense; it's more than the top ten other countries combined.
8. You talk like a duck, walk like a duck, so ......

BTW, do a little homework, and you'll find where most of the stimulus spending went.
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JamesMorrison
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 03:43 pm
@parados,
JamesMorrison wrote: "Neither does the quote mention that during the first two years of the Obama Admin the Dems had complete control of the executive and legislative branches of government and could have passed any legislation they wanted."

parados wrote: "Since that isn't true would you like to look at reality again?
The Senate requires 60 votes to overcome the GOP filibuster. The Dems had 60 votes for about 2 months of that time period. Franken wasn't seated until July of 2009. Kennedy died in late August of 2009. "

Really? Here's the history: Scott Brown was supposed to be the 51st vote to kill Obamacare. I seem to remember that it passed anyway.
Further, Obama has decided not to enforce DOMA, federal immigration law ( and sued Arizona for doing so), decreed, by fiat, an executive policy that essentially mirrors the Dems DREAM act and deemed Congress in recess when it decidedly was not just so that he could make some bureaucratic appointments. My statement stands.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 03:47 pm
@JamesMorrison,
As for immigration, most Americans side with the liberals.

From Polling Report.
Quote:
"As you may know, the Obama administration has announced a new policy in which young illegal immigrants who came to the country as children will be able to obtain work permits and will not face deportation. Do you support or oppose this new policy?"


................. Support Oppose Unsure
.................... %................ %.......... %

ALL.......................55.......... 39.......... 6

Republicans...........29......... 64......... 7

Democrats.............80......... 18......... 3

Independents.........55........ 38......... 7


Even Independents support Obama's immigration policy.
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parados
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2012 05:36 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Quote:
Really? Here's the history: Scott Brown was supposed to be the 51st vote to kill Obamacare

Actually, he was supposed to be the 41st vote so the GOP could filibuster. (The vote to end debate and avoid a filibuster was 60-39) He put his constituents ahead of the GOP.
revelette
 
  0  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 08:13 am
@JamesMorrison,
Quote:
Given that the voters are uncomfortable in returning Obama to office,


Quote:
RCP Average

7/9 - 8/4

--

--

47.4 Obama

44.6 Romney

Obama +2.8


source

This is the way the polling has been since it was pretty obvious Romney was going to be the republican nominee and before that with the republican field. I don't see Romney convincing anybody other than those who never planned on voting for Obama anyway.
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revelette
 
  0  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 08:44 am
Quote:
Mitt Romney

President Obama's lawsuit claiming it is unconstitutional for Ohio to allow servicemen and women extended early voting privileges during the state’s early voting period is an outrage. The brave men and women of our military make tremendous sacrifices to protect and defend our freedoms, and we should do everything we can to protect their fundamental right to vote. I stand with the fifteen military groups that are defending the rights of military voters, and if I'm entrusted to be the commander-in-chief, I'll work to protect the voting rights of our military, not undermine them.


source

Quote:
More than 1.7 million Ohioans voted before Election Day in the 2008 presidential election — about 30 percent of all ballots cast.

And nearly 100,000 of them voted in-person in the final three days before the November election.

Noting the significance of those numbers, President Barack Obama’s campaign filed a federal lawsuit in Columbus on Wednesday, seeking to restore the three days of early voting prior to Election Day that the GOP-controlled legislature eliminated earlier this year.

The suit was the first legal action Obama’s campaign has filed in this election.

“This lawsuit seeks to treat all Ohio citizens equally under the law,” Bob Bauer, the attorney for Obama for America, the president’s campaign committee, said during a conference call with reporters. “We want to restore the right of all to vote before Election Day.”


source

So once again Romney has resorted to distortions. Obama is not seeking to take away military voting rights like Romney is making out, merely restoring all Ohio voters the chance to vote early which they had before this year.



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Krumple
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 09:06 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:
Quote:
turned around the death spiral of the Great Recession

He did? When did that happen?


It happened when the stim bill was passed -

http://s3.amazonaws.com/wamo/pa/111208_jobless.jpg

That's a graph of unemployment claims per week. It's even farther down by now, this graph is about a year old.

We went from losing lots of jobs every month, to adding jobs, immediately after Obama's policies went into effect. We still need to do more. I do think it's worth pointing out that the GOP has done everything it possibly can to block all Obama's attempts to do more.

Cycloptichorn


This is utter ******* bullshit.
revelette
 
  0  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 09:21 am
@Krumple,
prove it
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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 11:20 am
@Krumple,
It's utter bull **** to you because you rely on Faux News for your info.

If you want to challenge the graph posted by Cyclo, show us your's that proves the graph posted is wrong.

"Utter bull ****" just doesn't cut it, because it only proves you are utter bull ****!

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 11:23 am
@cicerone imposter,
Here's the effect on GDP and job growth after the stim bill was passed.

http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-recovery-act-worked-in-a-few-easy-charts/

We also know what happened subsequent to that time; the GOP became the "No Party" and defeated most legislation that would have helped our economy more.

As posted earlier, over 92% of professional economists said the stim bill helped our economy.

krumple is talking through his arse.
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izzythepush
 
  0  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 11:32 am
@cicerone imposter,
Krumple holds the exalted position on A2K of being the only person proved wrong by Oralboy.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 01:20 pm
@Krumple,
Quote:

This is utter ******* bullshit.


How would you know? You've demonstrated that you don't care much for factual accuracy when you make your allegations, so why should your assertion be treated as anything but uninformed speculation?

Regarding the graph in question, it is not in fact 'bullshit,' it's a recording of real data points. You may complain regarding the analysis I provided - that's fair game - but you probably ought to be a little more specific when you're doing so, if you want to be taken seriously.

Cycloptichorn
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Rickoshay75
 
  0  
Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2012 02:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Another Romney blurb without any details.

Quote:
Romney: 'Something dramatic' to aid economy, but not stimulus

Mitt Romney is calling for "something dramatic" to help the economy recover, but he's not saying exactly what.


More tax cuts for the wealthy....so they pay zero taxes like he does. That is "something dramatic." Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk


Unfortunately, none of this matters in the end. Rep zillionaire endless barrage of TV lies, and organized voter suppression, will brainwash enough gullies to cut their own throats.
 

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