Romney 2012?

@roger,

I would as this is what it's going to take to cleanse the books of ObamaCare.

Hawkeye sez:

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You are delusional...nothing has been fixed and we are still skidding towards the cliff.

No, we fell off the cliff in 2008, and, battered and bruised, we've steadily, with Obama, been climbing back up the other side of the valley to get back to level ground again

That's just a metaphor, obviously. Only thing is, if you actually plot out the economy, that's what it really does look like--falling off the Bush cliff and then climbing back up on the Obama side. Industrial prodcution up, stock market up, employment up, building up, in Obamamerica.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

yeah...

send us your poor, your sick, and your weary, and we'll tell them to go **** themselves unless they have insurance...

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@Rockhead,

I will admit that every once in a while I check out the posts of members I have "ignored," and this is one of those times.

Lo and behold I find yet another of Rocky the Remmora's snide two liners.

It's no secret that I have vast differences of opinion with several members of this forum that have led to mutually personally confrontational exchanges, but each of them are more than capable of contributing to the substance of a thread's debate and regularly do so. None of them are on my "ignore" list. I reserve that list for people like you, who have nothing to contribute to a discussion other than predictably vapid insults.

No doubt you see yourself as some sort of aggressive agent of the Left, dedicated to taking on folks like me with your oh so clever quips, but the reality is that you are a non-entity in this forum, and as such you are quite worthy of "ignore."

Farewell for another couple of months.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

hasta la vista, asshole.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I have business in Dallas early next year finny.

mebbe I will take you up on your offer and see how big your mouth is in person...

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Hawkeye sez:
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You are delusional...nothing has been fixed and we are still skidding towards the cliff.

No, we fell off the cliff in 2008, and, battered and bruised, we've steadily, with Obama, been climbing back up the other side of the valley to get back to level ground again

That's just a metaphor, obviously. Only thing is, if you actually plot out the economy, that's what it really does look like--falling off the Bush cliff and then climbing back up on the Obama side. Industrial prodcution up, stock market up, employment up, building up, in Obamamerica.

the political system has not been fixed

the financial system and regulation of same has not been fixed

the obese disfunctional health care system which is the main driver of the decline of American has not been fixed, though Obama lied and said he was trying to do it.

the stratification of wealth, the increasing poverty, and the decimated middle class problems are not even talked about much less fixed

the abusive "justice system" is rarely even talked about much less fixed

the inability to pay entitlements which have for decades been promised is rarely even admitted much less fixed.

the lack of faith in the global eeconomic system has rarely even been admitted to much less fixed, and America has shown zero interest in leading the way.

nothing of importance is better than it was 4 years ago, we have fiddled, delayed, and refused to face our problems. Obama is a failed president, and his arguement that it is not his fault is BS....he has not even tried to do the things that need doing. there is no reason to think a second term would be better than the first one, he has had no epiphany.

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And why exactly is it that the financial system has not been fixed? Which party was it that consistently blocked the fixes? Actually Obama fixed a number of problems with the health care system/ Which party consistently refused to put their own proposal on the table, even when Obama proposed a system of financing it which was originally a far right Republican idea, in an attempt to get somebody on the other side to actually discuss it, rather than blocking it in its entirety?

If you're going to complain about things being broken, Hawk, complain to the people who broke them, and block change, not to the mqn who's tried for four years to fix them. Complain to the man who's been running full-time for president for six years and who still has positions about as firm as a bowl of Jello with about as much substance as the glob of Redi-Wip on top.

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@MontereyJack,

let me remind you that i think they all suck...I intend to vote against every incumbent until and unless politicians as a group stop playing games and get back to work.

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Heading into Monday's final debate and with just over two weeks until Election Day, President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney are now tied nationally, according the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
Obama and Romney both get 47 percent among likely voters in the latest edition of the poll, conducted entirely in the aftermath of the second presidential debate last Monday.

i guarantee that the majority of dems do not understand how we got here, and that the majority of repubs do. so much for the theory that repubs are stupid.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawk, you are another ultraconservative trying to convince people your middle of the road, but your not.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Hawk, you are another ultraconservative trying to convince people your middle of the road, but your not.

it just seems that way because a2k is a liberal place, with typical liberal blind spots which i exploit . when i am with repubs they tend to think that i am an ultra leftist, which i am. i always place the knife in the weak spot, that is to say that I am an equal opportunity antiganizer.

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@parados,

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You keep repeating that crap george and yet the bondholders are a major share holder based on their warrants. In fact the Bondholders own more of the new GM than the UAW pension fund does.
UAW - 160M shares
Bondholders - 150M shares and warrants for 278M more
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-06/old-gm-bondholders-getting-shares-in-new-general-motors-may-depress-price.html

It is simply a fact that the Administration put together an extra legal deal that, in defiance of bankrupcy law and the assurances stated in the bondholders loan/purchase agreements , put the union pension fund ahead of many bonds in the lineup for GM assets.

Recovery from a bankrupcy reduires new capital investment at the post bankrupcy purchase price. It doesn't usually require or involve new bank loans, though that sometimes follows a successful recovery.

Warrants aren't shares., and 160 is greater than 150.

What an ass !

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Interesting bit of video about the guy who makes political badges for both parties. Going on strength of sales he predicts Obama will win Ohio. It's worth watching regardless of your political affiliation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20012530

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@georgeob1,

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It is simply a fact that the Administration put together an extra legal deal that, in defiance of bankrupcy law and the assurances stated in the bondholders loan/purchase agreements , put the union pension fund ahead of many bonds in the lineup for GM assets.

LOL... so you say. And yet the bankruptcy judge approved the deal under the bankruptcy laws. Please explain how the laws were violated. You can't. You can only make silly arguments about secured creditors while ignoring that the UAW pension was a secured creditor.

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Recovery from a bankrupcy reduires new capital investment at the post bankrupcy purchase price. It doesn't usually require or involve new bank loans, though that sometimes follows a successful recovery.

And there is the rub george. New capital requires a source for that new capital. Who had the financing to provide that new capital. Where was that capital going to come from if banks were not going to make loans? Please tell us who had the billions of dollars available in CASH without needing money from the banks that were unwilling to loan money. Banks were not going to loan the money to anyone to provide capital investment in a bankrupt GM. No one had the cash available to provide that capital investment other then the US and Canadian governments.

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Warrants aren't shares., and 160 is greater than 150.

What an ass !

And if you had bothered to check the date on my story you would have realized that those warrants have become eligible to be exercised meaning that bond holders have received MORE stock than the UAW. Not only that the strike price on those warrants is $10 and 18.33 while current GM price is about $25. GM lists individual stock holders. Since the bond holders were all individuals or mutual funds they are not listed as 'bond holders' in the GM filings of largest stock holders, however there is NO valid argument that the bondholders got less than the UAW. You are the one that is full of **** george.

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@izzythepush,

Mitt Romney’s first debate bounce has evaporated and President Obama once again has taken a slim lead in The Washington Times/Zogby Poll released Sunday night

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@revelette,

THIRD case of Virginia Republican Voter Registration Fraud Discovered. If you can't win fairly, just make sure the other side can't vote, it's the new motto of the Republican party.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/19/third-instance-of-voter-registration-dumping-found-in-virginia

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A third instance of fraudulent voter registration has been uncovered in the important swing state of Virginia, where a Republican consultant has been arrested and thousands of discarded voter registration forms were recovered from a dumpster earlier this week. According to the Not Larry Sabato blog, a law student at James Madison University registered to vote on campus, but found when she tried to verify the change online, found that her form had never been submitted.

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@hawkeye10,

If you would bother to check I think you would find the people on this site are about what the general population is politically. There are even some center of the road as well as complete nutcases.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Recovery from a bankrupcy reduires new capital investment at the post bankrupcy purchase price. It doesn't usually require or involve new bank loans, though that sometimes follows a successful recovery.
And there is the rub george. New capital requires a source for that new capital. Who had the financing to provide that new capital. Where was that capital going to come from if banks were not going to make loans? Please tell us who had the billions of dollars available in CASH without needing money from the banks that were unwilling to loan money. Banks were not going to loan the money to anyone to provide capital investment in a bankrupt GM. No one had the cash available to provide that capital investment other then the US and Canadian governments.

This is the key point that no critic of the auto bailout really wants to respond to. There simply wasn't a line of companies waiting with cash in hand to pony up the necessary capital, and during a time in which we were losing 7-800k jobs per month, the possible collapse of one of the few major manufacturing sectors left in our country was purely unacceptable.

They focus on nit-picking rather than talking about the core issue, because it's one that is deadly to the pretend philosophy that Individualism and the Free Market are always the solution.

Cycloptichorn

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@RABEL222,

You have to remember Hawkeye is a complete numpty.

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