Romney 2012?

@revelette,

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You have no worries about voting for a guy willing to stand up and completely change his positions in accordance with his audience?

i took no personal position...what I did was ask what makes anyone think that lying will not be effective for Romney?

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@revelette,

The "smart" politicos are saying that Romney cannot win without Ohio, and Ohio will remain Obama until November 6. The other tossup states have gone to Obama gaining 16 electoral votes. We'll have to look after the VP debate on Thursday, but my crystal ball says Biden wins by a landslide.

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@hawkeye10,

There's a huge difference between 'lying' and a pathological liar who changes his tune with the audience he's speaking to.

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@cicerone imposter,

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but my crystal ball says Biden wins by a landslide.

I don't know, Ryan is pretty smooth at lying himself, witness his speech at the convention. Also, Biden tends to go overboard and he smiles too big and just seems old compared to Ryan. I am not counting on that debate for anything, I just hope it ends up being a wash.

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@revelette,

Lying isn't going to win that debate. Biden will be ready for "all" of them.

If Biden let's Ryan lie his way through the debate, we're moving to Canada. Shocked

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

There's a huge difference between 'lying' and a pathological liar who changes his tune with the audience he's speaking to.

Americans have for a long time cared a lot more about the results than the methods used.....what evidence do you have that Americans care that Romney is a shape-shifter? I care, a lot, but I see no reason the think that most of my peers care. I think this election will boil down to the conclusion that there is zero chance that Obama can do what is needed, so the other guy is the right choice, no matter who he is or how unlikely it is that he can be effective. Romney wins because he is not Obama, end of story.

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@cicerone imposter,

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If Biden let's Ryan lie his way through the debate, we're moving to Canada

i seriously doubt that Biden has the brain wattage required to catch Ryan...but we shall see.

More interesting will be what Obama does next time,....I think it is perfectly predictable that Obama will try to catch Romney in lies, and I also believe that Romney will be ready with an ambush when he does. Maybe it will be tarring Obama as an egghead who is not one of us and thus should no longer be trusted in the chair.

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@hawkeye10,

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@hawkeye10,

I'd venture to say that Biden's brain wattage is a lot higher than yours when it comes to politics. Mr. Green

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@hawkeye10,

Luckily I don't think you are right. Obama will win, not just as much as would have before the debate. I also don't think people are quite as much as a cynic as you paint them out to be.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I'd venture to say that Biden's brain wattage is a lot higher than yours when it comes to politics.

Bidens gift is for emoting, it is not smarts.

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@hawkeye10,

Prove it?

And your's is "self-important." Biden wins on all counts!~

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@cicerone imposter,

But he did promise that the unemployment rate would not go over 8% with his plan.
He did promise to close Gitmo.
He did promise the "most transparent administration in history"

All of those are'promises not kept.
You can make all the excuses you want, but that doesn't change the facts.

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@mysteryman,

"All those?" As for the first one on the unemployment, the GOP House voted down every job producing legislation that Obama brought forward.

You really don't understand how our government has (not) been working the past four years, do you? Have you heard what McConnell said after Obama took office? How about all the "no's" from the republicans in congress?

The GOP would rather harm our country than see Obama have much success during his first term.

You must have your head up your arse to be so damn ignorant!

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

He did promise to close Gitmo.

This is another of those initiatives that was stymied by a contrarian legislature.

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@cicerone imposter,

the GOP follows what Rush Limbaugh said shortly after Obama took office "I want him to fail" he said
"I want to see that he fails"

remember that tirade?

Your leader speaks and you toadies dance.

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@farmerman,

And here's this,

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“During 2009 and early 2010, he is totally engaged in the struggle to get health-care reform,” a White House participant said when asked about the president’s engagement with the effort to close Guantanamo. “That occupies his mind, and his time.”

Obama has conceded that Guantanamo will not close anytime soon. “Obviously I haven’t been able to make the case right now, and without Congress’s cooperation, we can’t do it,” he said this month in an interview with the Associated Press. “That doesn’t mean I stop making the case.”

Some people can't see the facts for their own ignorance that refuses to do a simple search.

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@farmerman,

That's a clever piece of selective editing on your part.
Why don't you put into context by posting the entire quote, not just 2 sentences...

So what is so strange about saying I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to reconstruct and reform this nation so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation? I want the country to survive. I want the country to succeed.
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/rush_limbaugh.html#lm3Wzw4F8EBU9lzm.99

When put into the proper context it has an entirely different meaning than what you want it to have.

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@cicerone imposter,

Here's another thought: In any debate in school, if the debate judge found one side to always lie, and the other was polite, who would win?

Why doesn't this same rule apply in "real" life?

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@DrewDad,

All it would have taken is an executive order,and congress cannot overrule those.
As many federal prisons as there are, he could have signed the order, and the prisoners at Gitmo would have been moved to another prison.

Using the excuse that congress was stopping him is just plain stupid.

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