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Good Grief!!!!

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 10:00 am
Article Two, Section One, second paragraph, reads in its entirety:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Supremes had no jurisdiction to intervene in Florida.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 10:32 am
Quote:
The dissenting opinions strongly criticized the five justice majority for involving the Court in state-level affairs.


Justice Stevens' dissent (joined by Justices Breyer and Ginsburg) concluded as follows:
What must underlie petitioners' entire federal assault on the Florida election procedures is an unstated lack of confidence in the impartiality and capacity of the state judges who would make the critical decisions if the vote count were to proceed. Otherwise, their position is wholly without merit. The endorsement of that position by the majority of this Court can only lend credence to the most cynical appraisal of the work of judges throughout the land. It is confidence in the men and women who administer the judicial system that is the true backbone of the rule of law. Time will one day heal the wound to that confidence that will be inflicted by today's decision. One thing, however, is certain. Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law.


Which makes the decision fit right into the Republican canards about activist liberal judges. The majority basically said that Floridian Judicial System was incapable of overseeing a re-count.

It makes one wonder if there were other close elections, not even at the stage of the Florida debacle, how quickly the present conservative US Supreme Court would entertain a motion to do the same in say, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, this year??

Joe(watch those bastards)Nation

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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 02:33 pm
There should be some way to remove a patently political judge from the S.C. or from any court.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 02:41 pm
@RABEL222,
Only if they get caught in the midst of bribe... .

Joe(Who know Justice Thomas?)Nation
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 03:40 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Article Two, Section One, second paragraph, reads in its entirety:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Supremes had no jurisdiction to intervene in Florida.
Assuming that to be true, for the moment,
Gore STILL did not have the votes in Florida, anyway.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 04:03 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
David. You do realize that there were state laws in place that Gore
was following or is the law something to be ignored?
Recounts should be conducted under the laws and procedures
in place even if the laws are considered vague by someone.
I guess u don 't know the "void for vagueness" criterion of unConstitutionality.



parados wrote:
Gore couldn't have stopped all recounting.
He cud have and he wud have
done his most earnest best to stop all re-counting,
the first time that he won. That did not happen; do u wonder Y not ??



parados wrote:
The law would have been the prevailing control of when and how recalls are conducted.

DAVID wrote:
TALK ABOUT BEATING A DEAD HORSE!

parados wrote:
The only one beating a dead horse is you David.
MY horse was in fine health, Mr. Parados.
He got me to the polls on time 2ice.
I voted for W 2ice and I got 8 years of his Administration.
( It was not as bad as the alternatives. )




parados wrote:
Perhaps you should get off it and read what I said rather than creating your own strawman to argue about. I never said Gore would have won. By the way, if you want to be really accurate, you should not say that Gore lost all recounts conducted by the papers. He lost some and won some depending on how the papers did the recounts. (I seem to recall the papers reported that Bush would have lost under the standard he proposed for recounts and Gore would have lost under the standards his side was proposing.)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2001-05-10-recountmain.htm
If those newspapers had discovered that Gore WON,
the MAGNITUDE of the resulting outcry 'd have made the O.J. trial
seem like relatively nothing.





David
parados
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 04:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I guess u don 't know the "void for vagueness" criterion of unConstitutionality.

Except they didn't declare the law unconstitutional for vagueness.

Quote:
He cud have and he wud have
done his most earnest best to stop all re-counting,
the first time that he won. That did not happen; do u wonder Y not ??

You are an idiot. But then you probably know that already. The court stopped any recount with Bush doing what you want to claim Gore would have done. Under our system, we should be able to do one recount but that wasn't even allowed. That throws into question the legitimacy of a winner when they won't allow a recount before declaring a winner. Look to all the dictators that don't allow recounts or poll watchers.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 04:12 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

f those newspapers had discovered that Gore WON,
the MAGNITUDE of the resulting outcry 'd have made the O.J. trial
seem like relatively nothing.





David

I see. So now you are just going to deny facts that are clearly in front of your face. You continue to be an idiot David. Do your friends in Mensa hold your hand when you cross the street?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 05:13 pm
@parados,
So you don't think that the GOP stole the election from Gore?

The SC decision was merely an error of jurisprudence committed in good faith by persons of honorable intent?

You don't think Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush helped the GOP steal the election from Gore?

Same questions to you Joe
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 05:17 pm
@RABEL222,
Be careful of what you wish for.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 06:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I voted for W 2ice and I got 8 years of his Administration.


I can see how that made you happy, Om. You love prezes that commit heinous war crimes, that butcher innocents, that seek to steal the wealth of others.

That's exactly what makes you such a repugnant piece of dung. But take heart, you're not alone.

Where is Gob, Finn, ... ?
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 08:35 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
So you don't think that the GOP stole the election from Gore?

The SC decision was merely an error of jurisprudence committed in good faith by persons of honorable intent?

You don't think Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush helped the GOP steal the election from Gore?

Same questions to you Joe[


I think Conservatives stole the election of 2000.
I think the USSC decision in Bush v Gore was a disgrace and a violation of the majority's judicial oath.
I think K. Harris is a political flunky. I think Jeb Bush is the only Bush offspring who got his father's gene for ethics. It has not done him any good.

Joe(asked and answered)Nation


JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 08:55 pm
@Joe Nation,
Quote:
I think Jeb Bush is the only Bush offspring who got his father's gene for ethics.


Obviously, deeply recessive genes.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 09:22 pm
@JTT,
DAVID wrote:
I voted for W 2ice and I got 8 years of his Administration.
JTT wrote:


I can see how that made you happy, Om.
You love prezes that commit heinous war crimes,
that butcher innocents, that seek to steal the wealth of others.
Lemme pretend that u r sane, for the moment,
because u raise an interesting point.

At the time, I believed that we shud have taken oil, as reparations,
because waging those 2 wars was expensive.
We were morally entitled to restitution of expenses for materials,
plus a reasonable delivery charge, but W ignored that.
We did not get a gallon, not a teaspoon of gas did we get from that.

We shud also have taken restitution for injured personnel,
to whatever extent was feasible.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 09:26 pm
@Joe Nation,
U can say whatever u want,
but Gore STILL did not have the votes in Florida.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2012 09:32 pm
@parados,

DAVID wrote:
I guess u don 't know the "void for vagueness" criterion of unConstitutionality.
parados wrote:

Except they didn't declare the law unconstitutional for vagueness.


DAVID wrote:
He cud have and he wud have
done his most earnest best to stop all re-counting,
the first time that he won. That did not happen; do u wonder Y not ??
parados wrote:

You are an idiot. But then you probably know that already.
The court stopped any recount with Bush doing what you want
to claim Gore would have done. Under our system, we should be
able to do one recount but that wasn't even allowed.
That throws into question the legitimacy of a winner when they
won't allow a recount before declaring a winner. Look to all the
dictators that don't allow recounts or poll watchers.
I remember from the time, that there were many re-counts,
and Gore lost them all.





David
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2012 06:53 am
It's not the point we got bush...although that was a tragedy of indescribable proportions. He may very well have had all the votes. We'll never know though thanks to those colon polyps in Florida.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2012 07:14 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
You having problems understanding my statements Finn. Or do you have problems understanding complex thought?

The SC decision was a bad decision because it interfered with the political process during a vote. It changed the rules in the middle of the vote counting. That does not equate to Gore losing the election because of that. It equates to creating questions about the legitimacy of the outcome. Questions about the legitimacy in no way means one side or the other would have won in a close election. I have already stated and stated in 2008 that it was likely that Bush would win a recount that was allowed to go forward.

Your statement about Harris and Jeb has NOTHING to do with the SC. No reason for you to bring it up in a discussion of the SC.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2012 07:15 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
By the way Finn, how much are you going to adjust your position on the issue?
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2012 07:19 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I remember from the time, that there were many re-counts,
and Gore lost them all.

Your memory is rather faulty then David.

1. there were no official recounts because the USSC stopped them with its decision.
2. Gore did not loaw all the recount scenarios conducted by the papers.
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