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If I remove "that" in the following sentence, will it be still clear and fine?

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The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, regardless that they would surely complain.

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[+4] - Joe Nation - 05/30/2012[quote]The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, regardless that they would surely complain.[/quote] The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to...

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@oristarA,

I had to reread the sentence over and over again. Initially, the changed sentence seemed to have worked in conversational terms. But after reading the sentence after the amputated "that" again and again, something didn't necessarily click right with its removal.

I would hazard a guess and say keep that in the sentence.

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

I had to reread the sentence over and over again. Initially, the changed sentence seemed to have worked in conversational terms. But after reading the sentence after the amputated "that" again and again, something didn't necessarily click right with its removal.

I would hazard a guess and say keep that in the sentence.

Thank you.
It seems that it should add more:
... regardless of the fact that they would surely complain.
Word economy is not applied to here. Clarity rules.

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@oristarA,

What seems to be missing is the clarification action to the apples that would cause the roommates to complain about if the action has taken place.

The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, regardless that they would surely complain if the apples were thrown into the trash can.

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

What seems to be missing is the clarification action to the apples that would cause the roommates to complain about if the action has taken place.

The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, regardless that they would surely complain if the apples were thrown into the trash can.

Hmmm? tsarstepan, I have had a hunch that you're not a native English speaker.
Am I on the right track?

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The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, regardless that they would surely complain.

The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, regardless of the fact that they will surely complain.

The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, even though they will surely complain.

The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, even though he knows they will bitch and moan while eating them. (or) ...while eating all of them.

The green apples taste sour, but David has decided to give them to his roommates, knowing they would complain or maybe because he knew they would complain.

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I've never heard anybody said this before or since, but once I heard a woman in Arkansas say "Those cherries are sour enough to give the whole town fishmouth."

Joe(hmmmphh. 'nees are thsour!)Nation

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@Joe Nation,

Excellent!
Thank you Joe.

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@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

Am I on the right track?

Sadly I am a native speaker of the English language.

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

oristarA wrote:

Am I on the right track?

Sadly I am a native speaker of the English language.

Thanks for correcting.

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@oristarA,

It seems that it should add more:

Again, Ori, an active verb doesn't match here with 'it', which refers to the sentence; they are seen as inanimate to English speakers, so they cannot add something to themselves.

It seems that it should have more added:

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

It seems that it should add more:

Again, Ori, an active verb doesn't match here with 'it', which refers to the sentence; they are seen as inanimate to English speakers, so they cannot add something to themselves.

It seems that it should have more added:

Thank you JTT.

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