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What is your favorite historical speech?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 16 May, 2012 10:04 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
. . . "a day that will live in infamy".. .
I bet that the Japs were SORRY about that day, after a while.





David
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 06:53 am
Our resistance will be long and painful, but whatever the sacrifices, however long the struggle, we shall fight to the end, until Vietnam is fully independent and reunified.

HO CHI MINH
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 07:01 am
@izzythepush,
U favored the communists ?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 07:12 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I favour self determination, not colonisation. Actually when that speech was made, in 1946, he was talking about the French occupation.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 09:58 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I favour self determination, not colonisation.
Actually when that speech was made, in 1946, he was talking about the French occupation.
The author of your favorite speech
rendered his people into communist slavery,
instead of French colonialism. In effect, he made the place
a colony of the communist slave empire. U have a right to your preferences.





David
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 09:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Ho Chi Minh was our (America's) staunch ally against the Japanese during World War II,David. Long before the Viet Cong came to be known as Viet Cong they were called the Viet Minh and fought side by side with the Allies against the Japanese invaders.

But then, of course, we became the invaders.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 10:35 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
Ho Chi Minh was our (America's) staunch ally against the Japanese during World War II, David.
Like Stalin, in Europe, Andy.


Lustig Andrei wrote:
Long before the Viet Cong came to be known as Viet Cong they were called the Viet Minh
and fought side by side with the Allies against the Japanese invaders.
I know.



Lustig Andrei wrote:
But then, of course, we became the invaders.
We were fighting the 3rd World War against the communists.
It took us until Christmas Eve of 1991 to win that war.
It was a GREAT Christmas Present.
When I got on a plane in Las Vegas, the USSR still existed.
When I got off the plane in Idlewild, the USSR had joined the 3rd Reich
at the bottom of the cesspool of history.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 10:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
He liberated them from foreign oppression. Previously they were enslaved by imperial forces.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 11:04 am
Franklin Roosevelt, 23 Sept. 1944:

"These Republican leaders have not been content with attacks on me, or my wife, or on my sons. No, not content with that, they now include my little dog, Fala. Well, of course, I don't resent attacks, and my family doesn't resent attacks, but Fala does resent them. You know, Fala is Scotch, and being a Scottie, as soon as he learned that the Republican fiction writers in Congress and out had concocted a story that I had left him behind on the Aleutian Islands and had sent a destroyer back to find him - at a cost to the taxpayers of two or three, or eight or twenty million dollars- his Scotch soul was furious. He has not been the same dog since. I am accustomed to hearing malicious falsehoods about myself - such as that old, worm-eaten chestnut that I have represented myself as indispensable. But I think I have a right to resent, to object to libelous statements about my dog."

The rest of the speech isn't bad either (the Fala part starts at around 27:30).
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 11:40 am
@izzythepush,
I hate to be contrary, but Ho Chi Minh was (or at least became) a Soviet client who supported the Soviet-led invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, which clearly violated that country's right of self-determination.
k copelin
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 11:46 am
@joefromchicago,
Good one. Thanks.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 12:28 pm
@wmwcjr,
You're not being contrary, and you're right, in Czechoslovakia the Soviets were the imperialist forces.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 12:52 pm
@izzythepush,
Thank you, izzy. Smile I was afraid you might get irritated with me.

Gotta go.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 02:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
And now that world-wide Communism is -- thank the gods -- a dead issue, the Vietnamese people still revere Ho Chi Minh as the father of their newly-independent country and as a liberator of the Vietnamese people from the Chinese, the Japanese, the French and the Americans. Good for them.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 03:04 pm
I see all this potential, and I see it squandered. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables – slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

Tyler Durden
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 03:12 pm
A U S Navy pilot, flying out of Argentia in Newfounland sent one of the most laconic messages in wartime. In January, 1942, Donald Mason saw a surfaced U-boat, and attacked. He then sent the message "Sighted sub, sank same." After the war, searchs of German records did not reveal any subs lost on that date, so Mason might not have sunk her, or it was not known to have been lost until it failed to return.

For our skeptical friend
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 03:43 pm
@Setanta,
Good one, Set. Which brings to mind:

"Nuts!"

Speech and reply given by General Anthony Clement McAuliffe
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 04:16 pm
At the time, this invoking of Sherman's pledge was my favorite. I thought it meant the end of the Vietnam War. But it was more the opposite, with Nixon's getting elected:

President Lyndon B. Johnson, March 31, 1968: "I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president."
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failures art
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 04:26 pm
@k copelin,
Great thread idea. I'm going to have to think about it. Until then, here's a fictional speech I love.



A
R
The Great Dictator
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failures art
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2012 04:31 pm
Oh yeah. Definitely my favorite... "The Pale Blue Dot" by Carl Sagan. I know it was a lecture at Cornell, but I think that qualifies, right?



Carl Sagan wrote:
Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar,” every “supreme leader,” every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.


His voice also makes it so moving. You can feel the passion.

A
R
That voice and those words.
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